Ejim vs Gilstrap

If you had to win a game tomorrow who would you want

  • Ejim

    Votes: 94 62.7%
  • Gilstrap

    Votes: 56 37.3%

  • Total voters
    150

AlleyAddict

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Unrelated question: once we get more depth, will Ejim slide over and play the 3? 6'5" seems a little too short to play the 4 in Big 12 play.
 

bawbie

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Ejim.

Gilstrap had a tendency to go all Leeroy Jenkins any time he touched the ball on the offensive court. I think I maybe saw him pass the ball back out like twice.

Per kenpom.com's statistical analysis, Ejim's Assist Rate is 7.4 and Gilstrap's was 9.1.

Assist rate is assists divided by the field goals made by the player’s teammates while he is on the court.

On pure numbers, Ejim averages 1.2 assists/game, Gilstrap was 1.4.

So, by the numbers, Gilstrap assisted on more baskets than Ejim.
 

ripvdub

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Its too hard to say now since Ejim has only played ooc opponents. But I love the fact we get Ejim a lot longer than Gilstrap.
 

bawbie

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Athleticism = push
Ball handling = Ejim
Defender = Ejim
Rebounder = push, although I think Ejim is a much better offensive rebounder.
Shooter = Ejim has the much better stroke
Decision maker = EJIM. Gilstrap forced way too much.


I'll supplement this with more numbers from kenpom where I can:

ball handling:
TO%: Ejim 17.8 Gilstrap 19.0. Slight edge to Ejim

defender:

Block % : Ejim 0.9; Gilstrap 2.8
Steal %: Ejim 2.9; Gilstrap 1.6
Pretty even, although Gilstrap's steal rate is quite low, about the same as JVB this year

rebounding:
OR%:Ejim: 10.4; Gilstrap: 9.4
DR%:Ejim 14.9; Gilstrap: 21.8
Gilstrap was a great defensive rebounder, Ejim is a slightly better offensive rebounder.

shooter:
Effective FG%: Ejim 61.3%; Gilstrap 49.3%
Obviously a huge edge to Ejim, mainly because he takes much much better shots, and many fewer shots per game, especially from 3.

decision maker:
Assist%: Ejim 7.4; Gilstrap 9.1
Combined with the TO% above, Ejim has a slightly lower TO rate and a slightly lower assist rate, mainly (I'd guess) because he has the ball in his hands less often.

Overall, it's really close and many of the differences have to do with playing different positions (Gilstrap didn't play much PF last year). The one stat I didn't list above was Offensive Rating, which Ejim blows away Gilstrap, largely on the basis of Ejim's great FG%.

So statistically, the only huge difference is FG%, and that gives Ejim the slight advantage in my book.
 

cyatheart

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Not even close. Ejim.

MG stats were fine. However he was a black hole, selfish player often, refused to feed the post, bad passer and a liability on defense most of the time.
 

bawbie

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Not even close. Ejim.

MG stats were fine. However he was a black hole, selfish player often, refused to feed the post, bad passer and a liability on defense most of the time.

If that is true, then Ejim must be worse because Gilstrap has clear statistical advantage in assists over Ejim.
 

bfross

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If you had to win a game tomorrow, which player would you take...Ejim or Gilstrap? Just something that popped in my mind

If you are talking about tomorrow (which is your question) and not two years from now, it has to be unequivocably Gilstrap. I love what Ejim is doing (I've watched or been to every game this season), but he has disappeared in games like Iowa, UNI, and Cal and I fear he will struggle in Big 12 play and his averages will come down (I severely hope I am wrong). Gilstrap showed he was a proven performer (especially rebounder) against Big 12 teams last season, in fact, his averages were even better in conference play. Plus other teams schemed to stop Gilstrap last year (even with Craig). No one schemes to stop Ejim. He's the fourth guy teams are trying to stop after DG, Vanderbeeken, and Scotty C. You stick Gilstrap on this team and Ejim gets bumped down to 5th.

Gilstrap is the easy answer to the original question.
 
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tazclone

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I'll supplement this with more numbers from kenpom where I can:

ball handling:
TO%: Ejim 17.8 Gilstrap 19.0. Slight edge to Ejim

defender:
Block % : Ejim 0.9; Gilstrap 2.8
Steal %: Ejim 2.9; Gilstrap 1.6
Pretty even, although Gilstrap's steal rate is quite low, about the same as JVB this year

rebounding:
OR%:Ejim: 10.4; Gilstrap: 9.4
DR%:Ejim 14.9; Gilstrap: 21.8
Gilstrap was a great defensive rebounder, Ejim is a slightly better offensive rebounder.

shooter:
Effective FG%: Ejim 61.3%; Gilstrap 49.3%
Obviously a huge edge to Ejim, mainly because he takes much much better shots, and many fewer shots per game, especially from 3.

decision maker:
Assist%: Ejim 7.4; Gilstrap 9.1
Combined with the TO% above, Ejim has a slightly lower TO rate and a slightly lower assist rate, mainly (I'd guess) because he has the ball in his hands less often.

Overall, it's really close and many of the differences have to do with playing different positions (Gilstrap didn't play much PF last year). The one stat I didn't list above was Offensive Rating, which Ejim blows away Gilstrap, largely on the basis of Ejim's great FG%.

So statistically, the only huge difference is FG%, and that gives Ejim the slight advantage in my book.
Great info! This is why it would be very hard fro me to choose. I think they are pretty equal so for me it comes down to who can take care of the ball better and that is why I would go with Ejim.
 

tazclone

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I am going with Gilstrap being coached by Hoiberg. You have to realize how all the players that returned and look good this year(Garret, Chistopherson, JVB) looked pretty pathetic playing for McD. Wesley Johnson looked unoccupied most of the time his two years here, then he transferred and was an instant AA. I am pretty sure Brackins and Gilstrap playing for Hoiberg, with a little Lutz assistance, would be top Big 12 performers. Gilstrap was also more proficient at rebounding, longer than Ejim, and all around better at the 4(where I think Ejim is better at the 3). Since we need a 4 more than a 3, I am going with Gilstrap.
IMO- Garret and Scotty aren't any better this year than last. They are just asked to play a more important role and therefore get more opportunities. Last year the offense was to feed the ball to CB and Gilstrap. DG showed his abilities anytime CB was on the bench and Scotty was sick but defintiely showed what he was capable of doing. The offense was horrible because we asked two guys to score so we were easy to defend.
 

bosco

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I'll supplement this with more numbers from kenpom where I can:

ball handling:
TO%: Ejim 17.8 Gilstrap 19.0. Slight edge to Ejim

defender:

Block % : Ejim 0.9; Gilstrap 2.8
Steal %: Ejim 2.9; Gilstrap 1.6
Pretty even, although Gilstrap's steal rate is quite low, about the same as JVB this year

rebounding:
OR%:Ejim: 10.4; Gilstrap: 9.4
DR%:Ejim 14.9; Gilstrap: 21.8
Gilstrap was a great defensive rebounder, Ejim is a slightly better offensive rebounder.

shooter:
Effective FG%: Ejim 61.3%; Gilstrap 49.3%
Obviously a huge edge to Ejim, mainly because he takes much much better shots, and many fewer shots per game, especially from 3.

decision maker:
Assist%: Ejim 7.4; Gilstrap 9.1
Combined with the TO% above, Ejim has a slightly lower TO rate and a slightly lower assist rate, mainly (I'd guess) because he has the ball in his hands less often.

Overall, it's really close and many of the differences have to do with playing different positions (Gilstrap didn't play much PF last year). The one stat I didn't list above was Offensive Rating, which Ejim blows away Gilstrap, largely on the basis of Ejim's great FG%.

So statistically, the only huge difference is FG%, and that gives Ejim the slight advantage in my book.

Wow totally shocked by the assist %. But that stat doesn't change my perception that Gilstrap was a black hole. Could be in my mind I see Gilstrap taking a lot of poor jump shots and with Ejim he drives to the hole and gets fouled. Maybe the number of FT/FT% will be the deciding factor in this all important square off with the final decision having repercussions through out CF.
 

bosco

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IMO- Garret and Scotty aren't any better this year than last. They are just asked to play a more important role and therefore get more opportunities. Last year the offense was to feed the ball to CB and Gilstrap. DG showed his abilities anytime CB was on the bench and Scotty was sick but defintiely showed what he was capable of doing. The offense was horrible because we asked two guys to score so we were easy to defend.

Hard to tell with Scotty since he is playing without an infectious disease this year. The main difference between this year and last year with those two is that they are much more confident in what they are doing out there and it shows in how they are playing.
 

brett108

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Athleticism = push-OK
Ball handling = Ejim-OK
Defender = Ejim-No, watch some of the blocking and Rebounding Gilstrap did
Rebounder = push, although I think Ejim is a much better offensive rebounder.Barely, and this is preseason.
Shooter = Ejim has the much better stroke-OK
Decision maker = EJIM. Gilstrap forced way too much. No one looked good in the McD O


Like some of your points, but some are suspect, especially the rebounding since Gilstrap was the best on our team when we had a real interior like Brackins and Dendy, and Jake Andersen is ahead of Ejim this year. Also, Gilstrap had better size and length than Ejim, watch him dunking over Aldrich. It is all over Youtube.

Over his career, I love Ejim as the better player. Right now, Gilstrap could do a lot more for this team.
 
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brett108

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Everyone here is smoking in my opinion. Ejim is not beter now than Gilstrap. While you are comparing the stats for Gilstrap from the whole season, including Big 12 play, Ejim has not seen close to this level of competition. Since almost every game we play in the Big 12 will be more challenging than any we have played right now(our SOS is very low), I fully expect for Ejims stats to come down. Gilstrap continued playing at a high level in the Big 12. We need Ejim to do so, but he will not have this kind of success against the Morris twins or guys like Tristan Thompson. Expect a wake up call Cyclone supporters, and man the rigging. It will get choppy.
 

CycloneRulzzz

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Ejim and it's not close. Ejim is a freshman but has way more athletic ability than Gilstrap had.
 

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Ejim.

Gilstrap had a tendency to go all Leeroy Jenkins any time he touched the ball on the offensive court. I think I maybe saw him pass the ball back out like twice.

That is a hilariously true comparison. I can picture McD drawing up some elaborate play in a timeout to get the ball Brackins to win it then when Gilstrap touches the ball he just shouts "All right, let's do this! MARRRRQQUIIIISSS GILLLSTRAPPP" He would then charge down the lane and promptly get called for an offensive foul.
 

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