CycloneErik
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game highlights. I didn't see top plays, so I'm not sure there.
One thing I'm sure of: Rim bad. Godfrey hate rim. Godfrey smash rim!!!
Why is hanging on the rim a technical?
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game highlights. I didn't see top plays, so I'm not sure there.
One thing I'm sure of: Rim bad. Godfrey hate rim. Godfrey smash rim!!!
He needs to work on his landing. If he can stick it, I vote we call him "The New & Improved White Magic."
That was the first time I'd seen it. Pretty obvious there was no safety issue there and, as much the officials probably did not want to call it at that point in the game, Godfrey really left them no choice, it was blatant.
That said, as long as we won, I'm glad he did it because that was ******* sweet.
I had to work late last night and haven't been able to watch the TiVo'd game yet. I just saw the posted video for the first time and my layman's impression is that the issue with the dunk is not how long he hung on the rim as he had a lot of lateral momentum that pulled his legs out from under him. The issue is him chinning himself on the rim. In my opinion, if he would have kept his arms mostly straight and hung on the rim until he could safely drop to his feet he would have been fine. Notice as soon as he gets vertical again he immediately drops to the floor.
Of course, I am not an official.
Except, the NCAA has chanegd the rule and allows players to hang on the rim for their safety. That was not the case with Godfrey's dunk.
I honestly cannot believe somebody is questioning this. It's taunting. He obviously held on way, way longer than he would need to for safety reasons. I have no problem with the call and I honestly have no problem with him taunting a little bit. But you do the crime you do the time.
It's not a black and white issue because it's strictly a judgment call on the part of the official. I've seen many dunks where hanging on the rim wasn't called, even though the player did it with nobody around him. I didn't see it well but a friend said after the game that the Colorado player was coming under Godfrey as he finished the dunk. I'd like to see a replay, but the fact remains that it's a judgment call, just like showboating is a judgment call. I think it was a bush league call under the circumstances as it was a huge slam that punctuated the win, like a player scoring a td that seals a game going a little overboard. I think the good officials take that into consideration and a good one wouldn't have made that call imo.
What is simply astounding is you don't get that there's a difference between hanging on the rim because there's someone underneath the player that he might land on top of or because the player has so much momentum going into the dunk that he might fly off the rim without control of his body, and what Godfrey did last night. Okay, there was a Colorado player real close to him and Godfrey might not have known where he was at - and if he just hung there on the rim he probably would have been okay. But he didn't leave it at that - he did freaking CHIN-UPS on the rim. Oh, by the way, doing chin-ups on the rim will earn you a T in the NBA as well, so I'm not exactly understanding where the conspiracy is - that T that Godfrey received last night was certainly well-earned.
I understand there being a conversation - the dunk was freaking sweet, and there's certainly a debate about the intelligence of Godfrey showboating, especially when the game is still somewhat in doubt. But I can't understand why there would be any question as to whether that dunk deserved a T and people would continue to argue that it was "unfairly" called against Godfrey - apart from the fact that those continuing to argue that point are the ones with a certain reputation on this site for the tendency to stir up **** where none should exist. But there should be no argument over this - there's no conspiracy when someone does chin-ups on the rim because it will earn you a T every single time.
Oh, and by the way, one of the coaches chewed his arse out after the play. I'm pretty sure he thought the chin-ups were a little on the excessive side...
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Does anyone on this board know how to ******* read?
The question is not should Godfrey have gotten a technical for hanging on the rim?
The question is why is hanging on the rim a technical?
I've heard that then hanging would become common place causing the rims to fail and endangering the players, but how many dunks do you see a game.
I've heard that it is taunting, but I've seen players severely hurt because their momentum takes them to the basket and they DON'T grab the rim hard because they are afraid of the taunting Technical.
I still haven't heard anything about the fans. I'm glad someone posted Calvin's video. Did you see the fan reaction? Is it a bad thing to allow a play that absolutely blows the roof off a building because of excitement?
I've heard the obvious well he did a chin up and that is just uncalled for. I ask anyone who has actually dunked if they've ever tried to stop their momentum so they didn't land on their back. Is it easier to pull yourself up then swing arm extended, and does it really matter if the rim and backboard can easily take it a couple times a game?
Now back to the question why is hanging on the rim a technical?
The question is not should Godfrey have gotten a technical for hanging on the rim?
The question is why is hanging on the rim a technical?
I've heard that then hanging would become common place causing the rims to fail and endangering the players, but how many dunks do you see a game.
I've heard that it is taunting, but I've seen players severely hurt because their momentum takes them to the basket and they DON'T grab the rim hard because they are afraid of the taunting Technical.
I still haven't heard anything about the fans. I'm glad someone posted Calvin's video. Did you see the fan reaction? Is it a bad thing to allow a play that absolutely blows the roof off a building because of excitement?
I've heard the obvious well he did a chin up and that is just uncalled for. I ask anyone who has actually dunked if they've ever tried to stop their momentum so they didn't land on their back. Is it easier to pull yourself up then swing arm extended, and does it really matter if the rim and backboard can easily take it a couple times a game?
Now back to the question why is hanging on the rim a technical?
So you keep posting because???
Good officials call the game how its supposed to be called according to the structure of the rules. If a guy is going up for a layup with 5 seconds left in a 80-60 game and gets fouled hard, should the ref let it go because "the game is over anyways." No, it should be called a foul weather it's 80-60, 80-80, or any other score.
Godfrey left the officials no choice in that one. It was a technical.
Agreed. Shouldn't be a technical. Next time we play at Kansas and are losing by 20 I hope one of their players goes up for a dunk and hangs on the rim for 30 seconds and entertains the Kansas crowd by doing pull ups and swinging back and forth during the ensuing ISU possesion while Kansas plays 4 on 5. It will be great fun.
YOU ARE GETTING IT WRONG! I'm not saying the dunk is part of some conspiracy and I never said the rule was applied incorrectly. In fact I stated it was. Seriously, ******* read! The question is why is hanging on the rim a technical. The question NEVER was should Godfrey have been T'd for it.
The point is should doing the chin up to stop momentum even be a T? I'd rather have Godfrey do the chin up every time than have one dunk that he has where he is concerned he's going to get a T, let go early and break his arm, fracture his back, shatter his orbital or any of the other examples I've pointed out in this thread.
Letting Godfrey do it and any other player in the NCAA do it makes the game exciting, the fans enjoy it, the rims and backboards can take it at the current level of dunks that occur in the game, and it is and clearly been my opinion this ENTIRE thread that I think it would prevent injury because no player would have to worry about the gray area. In doing so the only injury would be to the opposing teams/players ego.
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When everyone else is the one with the problem, the issue is normally you.
Any player that has gone up for a dunk and thought "gosh, I better not grab the rim because I could get a technical for it" is full of ****. You can grab the rim to slow your momentum, but there is ZERO reason to pull yourself back up onto it. You make the choice to do so (spoken as someone who can dunk). Ejim had a helluva dunk last night and he pulled himself up a bit, spun in midair, spotted his landing and let go. Officials will let that go because he didn't start trying to do chin ups on the rim.
Like has been noted multiple times in this thread already, hanging on the rim isn't what makes a dunk electric. HB had a nice breakaway flush last night and he didn't hang on the rim. Rahshon Clark never hung on the rim. Brackins never hung on the rim. Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard are highlight reels and the only time they hang on the rim is in traffic or they'd get T'd for it.
Sorry, officials do take game circumstances into consideration. Grabbing a player without going for the ball is an intentional foul. How many times does that happen at the end of a game without an intentional foul being called. And showboating to one official isn't showboating to another. Like I said, it's a judgment call and under the circumstances I thought it was bush.
You do know that a player can hang on the rim to prevent injury. This is actually allowed by the rules and happens quite a bit. So your prevent injury argument is void as hangin on the rim to prevent injury is allowed. On another note, I would like to point out that the guys you showed getting hurt most likely would not have gotten hurt if they hadn't tried to grab the rim. The grabbing of the rim is actually what caused them to lose their balance and fall awkwardly. If they would have dunked without force or even laid the ball in they would not have gotten hurt. In the case you presented, the players were not strong enough or did not have enough grip to hang on the rim. it was their physical ability that prevented them from hanging, not the rules. The rules clearly state they can hang on the rim to prevent injury. Those cases are irrelevant.
This is exactly why hanging on the rim is not allowed. I have many hoops in my parks system that get replaced mutliple times a year because kids hang on them too much. The long term exposure to abuse would weakens the structural integrity to the point that it is no longer strong enough to take the abuse.
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You're clearly missing the part where no players worry about the gray area. You don't think about that as you dunk. If you flush it, are hanging on the rim and look down to make sure you aren't going to land on anyone, 99% of the time an official isn't going to give a T.
And fans love to watch coaches rip the referees. Should the coaches be able to make an *** of themselves to referees without the referees being able to T them? I mean, it makes the game exciting and the fans enjoy it, and refs haven't gotten to this level if they can't take it.
You're still missing the "hanging on the rim doesn't make the dunk exciting" portion of this thread.
NO I'M NOT!!! (Loud Noises!!!)
It's not a matter that Godfrey hung on the rim - it's a matter that he was SHOWING UP THE OTHER TEAM. That will ALWAYS earn you a technical, whether he was hanging on the rim or not...
Not really important to this thread, but hard foul =/= intentional foul. Good officials are consistent for 40 minutes no matter what the score is.
Is there a video of this somewhere? One of my sons also just told me that a Colorado player was running under Godfrey as he finished the dunk, and he watched it on tv. If he pulled himself back up on the rim, it could have been to protect himself, but even if it wasn't, it was not an "in your face" gesture like you see so many times by players. It was a game ending celebratory slam. Let the players have some fun for crying out loud. He did not get up into anybody's face.
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