Sporting News: OU and A&M may look at SEC

[cycfan1]

Didn't want to read this whole thread, so apologize if already posted.

From an OSU site - love the ISU reference.

Texas A&M to the SEC...Again? Please Stop. - Cowboys Ride For Free

 

[CyDude16]

All that "equality" is going to get them is a lot more notches in the "loss" column.

And would put ISU in C-USA in the process. Which is the only reason ISU fans are willing to put up with this crap.

Sorry your team has an overzealous self worth and you're butthurt about Texas.

 

[Al_4_State]

Where have you ever read that it would put ISU in C-USA?

Because we're ISU and we suck and we should know our place and Nebraska or Iowa is the end all be all blah blah blah blah.

 

[CyCrazy]

Well that and the fact that "this crap" is making EVERYONE MORE MONEY. A&M and OU just had their egos bruised. They aren't losing out on anything. The LHN isn't creating any disadvantages, it's just exposing the ones that already exist (and will always exist) and they can't handle it. What's more illogical? ISU fans who are OK with Texas having power because it helps ISU or A&M/OU fans that are flat out willing to guarantee more losses just because they hate Texas? Texas isn't holding anyone back.

They're (A&M/OU) willing to nuke half the conference back to the stone age because Texas hurt their feelings. FWIW, I'm pretty confident that ISU will end somewhere AQ. Not sure where, might be an all new league, but it will be a home.

Go back to HuskerBoard.

Ya your right, this would be best.

 

[RackEm]

Well that and the fact that "this crap" is making EVERYONE MORE MONEY. A&M and OU just had their egos bruised. They aren't losing out on anything. The LHN isn't creating any disadvantages, it's just exposing the ones that already exist (and will always exist) and they can't handle it. What's more illogical? ISU fans who are OK with Texas having power because it helps ISU or A&M/OU fans that are flat out willing to guarantee more losses just because they hate Texas? Texas isn't holding anyone back.

They're (A&M/OU) willing to nuke half the conference back to the stone age because Texas hurt their feelings. FWIW, I'm pretty confident that ISU will end somewhere AQ. Not sure where, might be an all new league, but it will be a home.

Go back to HuskerBoard.

Look over at Iowa City and and tell them this, the'll laugh in your face.

The Pac 12 is now involve....because you are showing games from HIS footprint now. That takes balls to do, and no one outside of the Big 12 is going to put up with it. That is the reason this whole thing has blown up. The damage has been done, and ISU and its fans have only themselves to blame partially.

 

[sdillon500]

All that "equality" is going to get them is a lot more notches in the "loss" column.

And would put ISU in C-USA in the process. Which is the only reason ISU fans are willing to put up with this crap.

Look, you & I both know this isn't going to happen, no matter how much you want it to. You can hope & pray all you want, but if **** hits the fan, ISU is going to end up in a BCS AQ conference. I don't know if that's a new look Big XII, expanded Big East or reformatted Mountain West. No one knows what's going to happen, this is all speculation at this point.

But why am I so confident that ISU is going to land on its feet? Because when **** was hitting the fan last year, Pollard, Geoffrey & the ADs of BU, KU, KSU & MU pulled together and held the league together. I have no doubt that ISU already has a contingency plan in place should college football reshuffle the conferences again.

So thanks for stopping by, spreading some doom & gloom, saying ISU fans are just getting railed here. It's been fun seeing you knit your brow in frustration, trying to come up with ways to taunt Iowa State. But please, it's now time to get the **** out and leave the conversation to the adults.

 

[Al_4_State]

Look over at Iowa City and and tell them this, the'll laugh in your face.

The Pac 12 is now involve....because you are showing games from HIS footprint now. That takes balls to do, and no one outside of the Big 12 is going to put up with it. That is the reason this whole thing has blown up. The damage has been done, and ISU and its fans have only themselves to blame partially.

Now you've quit making literal sense.

As far as Iowa City, they will always laugh in our face, even when there's egg on theirs. We could kick their *** 6 ways from sunday. That's what they do. Look at basketball: we're poised to make the NCAA tournament, they'll be lucky to go .500 and their star recruit (a 26 year old convicted felon) just bailed before the season even started, and they're cracking jokes about all the transfers on our roster.

 

[enisthemenace]

All that "equality" is going to get them is a lot more notches in the "loss" column.



A Big 12 Network has more appeal to anyone outside of ESPN than the LHN.

Sure, but who/what entity? I still struggle with how the other 9 schools capitalize, without Texas, to the extent Texas is capitalizing. Let's say they can garner something...again, without Texas' inclusion...close to LHN type numbers. Although the gap would close, it would be pretty insignificant. Shares would be diluted. Without an ESPN-type (and those are hard to impossible to find), broadcasting would suffer, face-time would be limited (in comparison) and it would not come close from a branding perspective.

I want to see where you're coming from, but I'm still missing it.

 

[huskerman]

All that "equality" is going to get them is a lot more notches in the "loss" column.

And would put ISU in C-USA in the process. Which is the only reason ISU fans are willing to put up with this crap.

and that is exactly right.

i know people on this board like to paint Nebraska, Texas A&M, and now OU as the bad guys but those same people are really only trying to save their own ***** by painting texas as the good guys because that is how they get their money.

there are about a select 3-4 people that get on these threads about this and try to destroy any team that says anything bad about the big12 while everyone else sits there and argues that those 3-4 do not know what they are talking about!

i know that you guys are saying those things about the "bad guy schools" because if what you are saying is not true then you are basically screwed and wont end up in an AQ conference and lets face it that scares you. But i sincerely hope that Jamie Pollard has been on the phone for the last year and beyond talking to other athletic directors and conference officials trying to sell ISU because whether you wanna believe it or not the big12 will more than likely be gone within 5 years.

If OU leaves the big12 is dead. simple as that. if A&M leaves then you are very close to gone. Arkansas is NOT going to join the big12, THEY WERE THE FIRST TEAM TO TRY TO GET AWAY FROM UT 20 YEARS AGO! why would they wanna come back to that? so lets just hope that Jamie Pollard, etc. are not of the same mindset as AL_4_state and cycloneerik because if they are then you should start learning about the teams from Conf. USA.

again i hope that doesnt happen to ISU but you have to be real about it and realize that where there is smoke there is fire and this is going to eventually happen one way or another.

 

[Al_4_State]

Sure, but who/what entity? I still struggle with how the other 9 schools capitalize, without Texas, to the extent Texas is capitalizing. Let's say they can garner something...again, without Texas' inclusion...close to LHN type numbers. Although the gap would close, it would be pretty insignificant. Shares would be diluted. Without an ESPN-type (and those are hard to impossible to find), broadcasting would suffer, face-time would be limited (in comparison) and it would not come close from a branding perspective.

I want to see where you're coming from, but I'm still missing it.

A&M and OU's beef isn't about the money, it's about Texas showing HS games. A&M and OU are making a **** load. More than they would make in the SEC, actually (according to Chip Brown so take that w/a grain of salt).

If we put this Network together, it can do the things that Texas is doing. Will it have the exposure? Maybe not, but these guys are acting like this is all about the principle. Well, the principle could be met.

What you're pointing out, inadvertently, is how this isn't really about the tangible loss to A&M and OU, it's about having to deal with the reality that you aren't top dog, something we've known about ourselves all along.

 

[MLawrence]

ISU has very limited options, TAMU and OU have no limits. You can't say they should try to keep the B12 together when they could easily walk to the SEC, get a better payday, and be treated as equals knowing that there won't be a Texas in that conference who would try to slant everything to benefit them.

Both of those schools have limitations. Oklahoma has a state population of 3.7 million, and it will be hard for them to make a lot for their own channel with a limited number on their state's population. And Texas A&M limitations is that they are not Texas. Otherwise it would have been A&M getting the huge contract form ESPN, but they didn't.

 

[jbhtexas]

there are about a select 3-4 people that get on these threads about this and try to demonize UT, defend NU, and prognostigate regarding the end of the Big 12, while everyone else sits there and argues that those 3-4 do not know what they are talking about!

I took the liberty to modify your quote so that it better resembles reality...

 

[RackEm]

Both of those schools have limitations. Oklahoma has a state population of 3.7 million, and it will be hard for them to make a lot for their own channel with a limited number on their state's population. And Texas A&M limitations is that they are not Texas. Otherwise it would have been A&M getting the huge contract form ESPN, but they didn't.

SEC would take both in a heartbeat. Can the same be said for Iowa State?

 

[CyCrazy]

and that is exactly right.

i know people on this board like to paint Nebraska, Texas A&M, and now OU as the bad guys but those same people are really only trying to save their own ***** by painting texas as the good guys because that is how they get their money.

there are about a select 3-4 people that get on these threads about this and try to destroy any team that says anything bad about the big12 while everyone else sits there and argues that those 3-4 do not know what they are talking about!

i know that you guys are saying those things about the "bad guy schools" because if what you are saying is not true then you are basically screwed and wont end up in an AQ conference and lets face it that scares you. But i sincerely hope that Jamie Pollard has been on the phone for the last year and beyond talking to other athletic directors and conference officials trying to sell ISU because whether you wanna believe it or not the big12 will more than likely be gone within 5 years.

If OU leaves the big12 is dead. simple as that. if A&M leaves then you are very close to gone. Arkansas is NOT going to join the big12, THEY WERE THE FIRST TEAM TO TRY TO GET AWAY FROM UT 20 YEARS AGO! why would they wanna come back to that? so lets just hope that Jamie Pollard, etc. are not of the same mindset as AL_4_state and cycloneerik because if they are then you should start learning about the teams from Conf. USA.

again i hope that doesnt happen to ISU but you have to be real about it and realize that where there is smoke there is fire and this is going to eventually happen one way or another.

I doubt it

And its funny what you say about Arkansas getting away from UT. You boys are running from UT at this moment. You and DR. Tommy dooshwipe voted against equal revenue sharing in 96 when UT joined thinking you would always be the biggest **** at the table and when it turned out you were not you ran away from UT. **** you Nebby.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Clearly OU and TAMU have much more going for them than ISU.

My hope is that the SEC decides 12 is their number. If they take one, the other, or both, it will kick off the super conference domino effect.

 

[MLawrence]

SEC would take both in a heartbeat. Can the same be said for Iowa State?

If that was the case then why didn't that happen last year? Did OU and A&M believe that they could get the same amount of money as Texas for their own channel, and that's why they didn't go?

 

[RackEm]

I took the liberty to modify your quote so that it better resembles reality...

!st it was CU and NU, now its A&M and OU who are the bad guys, and somehow UT is still the good guy. Really?

 

[Al_4_State]

and that is exactly right.

i know people on this board like to paint Nebraska, Texas A&M, and now OU as the bad guys but those same people are really only trying to save their own ***** by painting texas as the good guys because that is how they get their money.

there are about a select 3-4 people that get on these threads about this and try to destroy any team that says anything bad about the big12 while everyone else sits there and argues that those 3-4 do not know what they are talking about!

i know that you guys are saying those things about the "bad guy schools" because if what you are saying is not true then you are basically screwed and wont end up in an AQ conference and lets face it that scares you. But i sincerely hope that Jamie Pollard has been on the phone for the last year and beyond talking to other athletic directors and conference officials trying to sell ISU because whether you wanna believe it or not the big12 will more than likely be gone within 5 years.

If OU leaves the big12 is dead. simple as that. if A&M leaves then you are very close to gone. Arkansas is NOT going to join the big12, THEY WERE THE FIRST TEAM TO TRY TO GET AWAY FROM UT 20 YEARS AGO! why would they wanna come back to that? so lets just hope that Jamie Pollard, etc. are not of the same mindset as AL_4_state and cycloneerik because if they are then you should start learning about the teams from Conf. USA.

again i hope that doesnt happen to ISU but you have to be real about it and realize that where there is smoke there is fire and this is going to eventually happen one way or another.

Which is why ISU likely has a contingency plan. Just admit it: you want the Big 12 to die. It validates you.

I want the Big 12 to live. It's the most profitable set up for my school. There's nothing irrational about my thinking or anything I've said in this thread. ISU could escape Texas, but they'd make a **** load less money.

This "slavery" that Texas imposes on us makes us a lot of money. IT DOESN'T HURT US. WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL? You say we should be mad about Texas's control? Why? We don't have a more profitable option. Texas isn't taking money out of our pockets. They're putting money in our pockets.

The schools who are upset about Texas's actions are not upset because it's is causing them any kind of loss. It's hurting their pride. It may have hurt their pride to the point they leave, but that's all it's hurting. They think that the LHN hurts their recruiting? Imagine what will happen to their recruiting when they lose a lot more games in the SEC.

I know you'll just respond with "Just keep bending over for Texas" or something stupid like that, without making any rational points. Nebraska leaving was smart. They went to a weaker (on the field) conference that clearly pays more $. A&M and OU would be leaving for a much stronger conference that might not pay any more.

 

[hawkfan]

Just something I thought I'd throw out-

Does everyone here really believe ESPN/ABC/Fox threw the kind of money they did at UT/TAMU/OU for 2nd tier rights only for their to be a Big 12 network that absorbs a large chunk of the 2nd tier programming?

I'd really like someone to answer that for me. No way in hell would OU/TAMU get in on a conference network - ABC/ESPN is paying them way too much to look the other way on that. If there were a Big 12 Network, what games would go on it exactly? FOX/ESPN/ABC didn't pay a butt load for the worst of the 2nd tier games.

 

[woodie]

If they go to the SEC and join the big time cheaters, that won't stop Texas from broadcasting high school games. So that advantage for recruits is still going to exist.

If these sore losers would quit crying over what Texas has and join the other Big XII schools in forming a network then maybe they can broadcast high school games as well.

Texas can only bring in 25 recruits a year, thus this is far more about jealousy and egos then actual recruiting advantages.

ship the aggies and their gay yell boys to the sec. replace them with arkansas.