What does ISU bring to a BCS conference
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So that means we are "successful" 60% of the time and "unsuccessful" 40%. Got it.
I don't think the parenthesis indicate number of championships as big 12 members. Okie State may have won 50 championships, but not all as a big 12 member. I know ISU hasn't won any as a big 12 member, the five that aren't counted for ISU in parenthesis are due to some women's cross country championships, (AIAW Championships), prior to NCAA sponsorship of women's athletics in 1982.
"National team titles by institutionSchool - Number - NCAA Championships (less AIAW and Helms Foundation)
Oklahoma State - 50 - NCAA(50)
Texas - 48 - NCAA(40)
Oklahoma - 25 - NCAA(18)
Iowa State - 19 - NCAA(14)
Texas A&M - 14 - NCAA(13)
Kansas - 12 - NCAA(10)
Baylor - 2 - NCAA(2)
Missouri - 2 - NCAA(2)
Texas Tech - 1 - NCAA(1)
Kansas State - 0 - NCAA(0)
What is so hard to understand? ISU takes much more money from the Big 12 than we put into it. So why would we be considered valuable to a conference?
Sadly, in today's environment, the thing that matters most is how many TV sets does Iowa State deliver and what kind of TV ratings does it supply when it is on. ISU delivers all of the markets listed below, which is a substantial but not great amount of TV sets. Importantly for the Big 12, those are all markets that would not be in the conference without ISU (as opposed to OSU, KSU, or Baylor which really don't provide any new markets beyond what OU, KU and UT provide).
Even though ISU could deliver each of these markets, Iowa probably gets better ratings in every one of these markets except maybe Des Moines-Ames, which is probably a break even. TV contract money depends on both markets delivered and TV ratings.
The problem for ISU is there is no 1 big market in Iowa, since Des Moines is the only market in Iowa in the top 75. That makes a team like Utah seem more desirable (SLC is a top 50 TV market, but it is also the only market in a smaller state), even though ISU delivers more total TV sets and probably with very similar ratings to what Utah delivers in its state (which lag far behind BYU's ratings in the state).
Des Moines 432,820
Cedar Rapids 346,010
Davenport 309,800
Sioux City 155,490
Mason City 144,590
Keokuk 102,010
Ottumwa 51,370
TOTAL 1,542,090
Markets that ISU probably does not deliver but has a substantial presence in:
Omaha 418,290
Sioux Falls 263,790
CR = 300,000+? since when? Wiki says 250,000 and that is pretty much including Benton County
Mason City 144,000?!?!
Keokuk has over 100,000?!!? Don't think so...
And Omaha is way larger than 418,000!
Edit: skimmed the original post... I guess those are TV sets
If the PAC, BIG, SEC and ACC end up the 4 super conferences then there will be some very disappointed Big 12 teams. Currently those teams will need 16 teams and my count is 12 Big 12 teams 9 Big East, ND and BYU. That's 7 teams left out and the Big East teams have a location advantage. ISU fits best in the only conference that already has a team in Iowa. Texas Tech will probably be able to go with Texas and OSU with OU. MU has a big enough state and happens to be the only school in that state. That leaves KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor in a bad position. I hope we mend the Big 12.
Those are TV market sizes based upon TV household in a particular market area. Cedar Rapids' market includes Iowa City amongst other towns. Omaha includes Council Bluffs.
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Iowa fans had better hope the B1G doesn't itself collapse because it brings as little to the plate as ISU does...
Or the fact that their budget has $30,000,000 more reasons for someone to like them more than Iowa State.
And that budget makes money for a conference how?
Iowa's AD is in great financial shape, but it doesn't change the fact that they're in a small population state and don't have a national following, which is far and away the biggest thing hurting ISU in this.
Exactly. It doesnt matter if your budget is $100mil if your presence doesnt bring any money to the other members.
Everyone acknowledges that the number of TV sets is an issue, though ISU does offer a relatively populous state, to every other conference but the Big Ten. Iowa isn't the least populated and college sports are relatively important.
That said, (1) respectable academics including research, and history, (2) respectable all around sports, (3) up and coming men's basketball, again, with some history, and (4) a competitive football program that some of the biggies might appreciate playing, yet have to respect, a game they might more likely win than not, but not a given. On 4, in the void before McCarney and even in the early McCarney years, I think the program was so down it would have been more likely other schools might simply ask what's the point, the blowouts were so bad. And the facilities weren't as good.
Geographic location, though currently on the margin in a way, in a new conference could also be a plus, possibly middling, and not as long a distance as some.
So if ISU is a possibility, I think many of the secondary factors are a real plus. Few university administrations would have much of a problem with ISU.
There are also the caucuses, and possibly some political pull by keeping ISU in the BCS, and perhaps keeping Congress more at a distance as a result.
That said, (1) respectable academics including research, and history, (2) respectable all around sports, (3) up and coming men's basketball, again, with some history, and (4) a competitive football program that some of the biggies might appreciate playing, yet have to respect, a game they might more likely win than not, but not a given. On 4, in the void before McCarney and even in the early McCarney years, I think the program was so down it would have been more likely other schools might simply ask what's the point, the blowouts were so bad. And the facilities weren't as good.
Geographic location, though currently on the margin in a way, in a new conference could also be a plus, possibly middling, and not as long a distance as some.
So if ISU is a possibility, I think many of the secondary factors are a real plus. Few university administrations would have much of a problem with ISU.
There are also the caucuses, and possibly some political pull by keeping ISU in the BCS, and perhaps keeping Congress more at a distance as a result.
