What does ISU bring to a BCS conference

[Doctor]

Does not matter, all about $$$... ISU brings jack squat to a BCS conference

You're completely correct, as much as it pains me to say it.

Also, the fact that we sometimes make a bowl game means nothing, at least in a historical sense. 6-6 gets you into a bowl most years as of late. Big deal.

I think the only quality bowl we've been in was the Peach and that was quite awhile ago.

 

[Doctor]

(4) a competitive football program that some of the biggies might appreciate playing, yet have to respect, a game they might more likely win than not, but not a given.

No one in the country sees us as a year in and year out competitive football program.

We've finished in the top 25 how many times in our history?

 

[Clone83]

No one in the country sees us as a year in and year out competitive football program.

We've finished in the top 25 how many times in our history?

Relatively competitive, compared to our past. As I said it is a game other schools with longer histories might appreciate playing, versus OU, Texas, USC, etc., every week.

 

[IceCyIce]

As far as the other tv sets in Iowa - Iowa State will have sets all over the state. All of the Iowa fans will also watch hoping to see us fall on our face. So we will carry the entire state. Also other conference rivals will watch as well due to the conference. I watch more games than just Iowa and Iowa State?

 

[Doctor]

As far as the other tv sets in Iowa - Iowa State will have sets all over the state. All of the Iowa fans will also watch hoping to see us fall on our face. So we will carry the entire state. Also other conference rivals will watch as well due to the conference. I watch more games than just Iowa and Iowa State?

This is no different than any other state, but Iowa's overall population is small.

Of course folks in Iowa will watch. That's not the issue.

 

[Clone83]

As far as the other tv sets in Iowa - Iowa State will have sets all over the state. All of the Iowa fans will also watch hoping to see us fall on our face. So we will carry the entire state. Also other conference rivals will watch as well due to the conference. I watch more games than just Iowa and Iowa State?

Good point. And there are definitely ISU fans in every county, including extension offices and more among rural Iowans.

I acknowledge that the number of TV sets is an issue, the issue, to state the obvious. The primary reasons to add ISU I call secondary. But there are other BCS schools that will likely stay BCS in states with populations roughly the size of Iowa or not much larger (like Kansas and Oklahoma, though they have national audiences). Just as it is a reason that ISU does not add TV sets to the Big Ten because of UI, by the same token it does add some TV sets to other conferences.

ISU brings a few TV sets and some good qualities, academic and otherwise, to any conference.

 

[tazclone]

Next to nothing... end of thread

Clueless response.

You need to stop and look at 50% of BCS programs. ISU brings just as much if not more. But hey, you can go by your opinion and no fact but it doesn't make it right.

 

[Naughtius]

So that means we are "successful" 60% of the time and "unsuccessful" 40%. Got it.

Yes, but of that 60%, we win 50%!

 

[ManBearClone]

What does ISU bring to a BCS conference? As the current BCS system stands... a warm body to pad the schedule for a National Championship run. Parity in a conference is not conducive to a BSC Title game invite.

Not as much an issue in a full fledged playoff system if that comes to pass which would lower ISU's appeal I think. Pains me to say.

 

[Cyclonz]

Agree on the bottom half of all BCS conferences bringing little. Your team better bring winning tradition or lots of TV sets.

Take Nebraska - small populated state, but rich in tradition which gets alumni fully behind their winning football program.

If Iowa State could win consistently for the next decade, play in some BCS bowl games you now have some tradition to build on and you can overcome being in a small populated state with another BCS school in your state.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Agree on the bottom half of all BCS conferences bringing little. Your team better bring winning tradition or lots of TV sets.

Take Nebraska - small populated state, but rich in tradition which gets alumni fully behind their winning football program.

If Iowa State could win consistently for the next decade, play in some BCS bowl games you now have some tradition to build on and you can overcome being in a small populated state with another BCS school in your state.

Meh, I think you really overrate this opinion. K-State has all of this that you state will help out ISU, yet they, for the most part, are on the outside looking in right along with us.

 

[AlumfromAmes]

5) Academics- Yes, I know this doesn't mean much in the big scheme of things(can't believe I said that, how pathetic is our society) but the NCAA is starting to really break down hard on academics. Schools that don't graduate their students are going to see penalties while schools with good graduation rates, like ISU, are sitting well to take advantage. I also feel the Presidents are tiring of realignment crapola and are going to step in more and more. Our research grants speak for them selves and will continue. We are in the AAU and we won't get kicked out anytime soon

See, this is one of our major problems. We think we have to have academic standards and that we have to follow the NCAA rules. All the schools around us are proving that you don’t have to be tied down to rules and regulations. In fact, if you want to survive and thrive as an athletic program (and major university), you’d better be ready to break a few rules now and then.

Now I’m not saying we have to go the Miami or SMU route. But we sure could go more the route of K-State, Nebraska, or Iowa. Let’s give the coach’s son a little free ride on the backs of the taxpayers with low-rent housing. Let’s poach a few athletes that have already committed. Let’s take a real hard look at dramatically lowering our academic standards.

What good does it do us to have high standards for an athletic program when the program takes hits in times like these? I don’t hear anybody saying that the main reason the SEC took A&M was for academics. Nebraska went to the Big 10 DESPITE their academic status. Lord knows Colorado has had some major violations (NCAA and legal), yet, the PAC 10 didn’t seem to even care.

It simply does not pay to play by the rules in today’s BCS world. If we think we have to follow the rules to the letter, then maybe we’d better pack it up right now.

 

[BenEClone]

I like ISU - we have a reputation for running a clean program, good academics and a nice campus community. We'll likely have half a dozen teams in the top twenty this school year - WCC, WBB, MBB, GYM, VB and likely WS and track. Our leadership seems committed to being honorable and finding a way to be successful because of that rather than apologizing for it. Pollard has us moving in an upward direction - it's a long term goal program. In football we are growing more competitive - in the last two years we're .500 against both Nebraska and Texas.

 

[CyBobby]

If we at Iowa State bring so much to the table then why didnt we get picked for the big ten instead of those ...


LOWLIFES IN NEBRASKA ???

 

[tejasclone]

I like ISU - we have a reputation for running a clean program, good academics and a nice campus community. We'll likely have half a dozen teams in the top twenty this school year - WCC, WBB, MBB, GYM, VB and likely WS and track. Our leadership seems committed to being honorable and finding a way to be successful because of that rather than apologizing for it. Pollard has us moving in an upward direction - it's a long term goal program. In football we are growing more competitive - in the last two years we're .500 against both Nebraska and Texas.

.500 against Nebraska in the last 2 years, but .750 against the state of Texas in the last 2 years (2009 - W over Baylor, L to A&M; 2010 - W over Tech, W over Texas).

 

[AlumfromAmes]

I like ISU - we have a reputation for running a clean program, good academics and a nice campus community. We'll likely have half a dozen teams in the top twenty this school year - WCC, WBB, MBB, GYM, VB and likely WS and track. Our leadership seems committed to being honorable and finding a way to be successful because of that rather than apologizing for it. Pollard has us moving in an upward direction - it's a long term goal program. In football we are growing more competitive - in the last two years we're .500 against both Nebraska and Texas.

OK. How would you feel about ISU if it were not in a BCS conference? Better yet, how would the casual fan feel? How about perspective students and athletes? Don't you think that interest in ISU's sports would drop and, eventually, student enrollment with it?

I could probably be convinced that the high road is the way to go. But my point is that we have not been willing to really do what it takes to be successful in college sports. It is a fact that to compete with teams at the highest level, we would need to loosen our standards. Are we willing to do that?

If not, then you might see ISU continue to slip in recruiting of both students and student athletes. Success in major sports, like it or not, pushes overall enrollments. If you're not willing to "cheat", or even stretch-the-rules (see Nebraska and Iowa), then maybe you shouldn't enter the arena. It's a tough pill to swallow, but it's probably the truth. Does ISU stay on the moral high ground and risk being pushed out the door, or should we be thinking more like all the others? I'm not sure we can survive much longer as the school that is content with modest success, achieved the right way.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

And that budget makes money for a conference how?

Iowa's AD is in great financial shape, but it doesn't change the fact that they're in a small population state and don't have a national following, which is far and away the biggest thing hurting ISU in this.

That might be debatable. I was in Connecticut about 6-7 years ago flipping through the channels looking for something to watch. I came upon a channel carrying the Iowa basketball game. This was not ESPN or some other national network but a local channel picking up the ITN broadcast.(or whatever they call it) Sent shivers up my spine.

 

[BenEClone]

That might be debatable. I was in Connecticut about 6-7 years ago flipping through the channels looking for something to watch. I came upon a channel carrying the Iowa basketball game. This was not ESPN or some other national network but a local channel picking up the ITN broadcast.(or whatever they call it) Sent shivers up my spine.

Forty-five years ago, as I left New Jersey to attend Iowa State, NJ locals confused the name because Iowa was fresh on their mind from football success in the 50's and they had never heard of Iowa State. We made a run at a major upgrade in football in the 70's at a time, btw, when Iowa was pathetic. The coaches, Bruce and Majors, left claiming they weren't getting the "support" they needed to go further. I think President Geoffroy and AD Pollard are trying to provide that support in an ethical manner. It's a slow process, but, progress is being made. I think the Rock Star Chizek hire was an attempt to leap forward, but, in his one class he recruited 2 and 3 star players while the top tier got 3 and 4 stars. It takes years to show the better qualified prospects that they can win here. I think Paul Rhoads can do that.

 

[Redhawk94]

This might be the best thread ever on CycloneFanatic considering most every poster is using logic.

 

[Madclone1]

Agree on the bottom half of all BCS conferences bringing little. Your team better bring winning tradition or lots of TV sets.

Take Nebraska - small populated state, but rich in tradition which gets alumni fully behind their winning football program.

If Iowa State could win consistently for the next decade, play in some BCS bowl games you now have some tradition to build on and you can overcome being in a small populated state with another BCS school in your state.

Here is a reality point . . . all the big dogs NEED chew toys . . . they hate to lose.

Hence, they NEED a "bottom half" of their new conference to succeed.