*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[jsmith86]

They seem worried about that, but what mid major conference in their right mind turns down BYU at this point?

I would say mountain west, but who am I kidding?


That would be like if Texas left the big 12 and a week later came back saying , " JK guys, JK. I didn't really want to leave. I just accidentally the conference. Didn't mean to. My bad guys. My bad. But guess what? I'mmmmmmm baaaaccckkkkk!!!!!!!!!! "

You bet we would take them back. And we would do it faster than Dan Beebe could count the zeros that having Texas adds to the Big 12 TV revenue.

 

[Al_4_State]

Yeah, I don't think UT would have a problem giving them assurances. They want their own league. You can say their still in the Big 12 because they want to look like the good guy, but why in the hell would Texas even care about that?

It's OU that worries me.

 

[Wesley]

One thing I am convinced of, Dan Beebe needs removed immediately as Big 12 commissioner.

The Bbee Man? Like Iverson. This is practice. This is practice. Whoops. Wrong one. Playoffs? Playoffs? What playoffs? He better get a playoff game going.

 

[Al_4_State]

Beebe is hamstrung by his member schools.

Because you've had several schools looking to bail, while the other power schools are trying to maximize profit (by limiting membership), he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. We haven't expanded because the powers said "don't expand". Plain and simple.

 

[ljhlax]

New Big 12 Super Conference
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Here are my thoughts if A&M leaves.

Just go for it. Create the 16 Team Super Conference.

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, SMU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Air Force, Boise State, BYU, and UNLV.

Division 1
Texas
Baylor
SMU
Oklahoma State
Air Force
Kansas
Iowa State
Boise State

Division 2
Oklahoma
TCU
Houston
Texas Tech
UNLV
Kansas State
Missouri
BYU

Each team would play 6 of their division opponents each year, their 1 "natural" rival in the other division, which is why I split the states up, and 1 (possibly 2) other opponent(s) from the other division on a rotating basis. (The only problem would be whether Oklahoma's rival would be Texas or Oklahoma State)

Here is why I chose the schools I chose.

Houston, SMU and TCU would add quality football programs and revive old rivalries. SMU and Houston would have the chance to return to national relevance again. TCU would bring a very good Football team into the Big 12 mix.

Air Force has tremendous following all across the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain States probably because of all the Air Forces bases scattered throughout the region. From Sioux Falls, SD to North Dakota to Montana, Colorado, Las Vegas and Utah, Air Force has a nice fan base that could benefit from their presence in a major conference who would dominate the TV airwaves of the region.

Boise State seems to me like a no brainer, maybe because I've been a fan since before we met them in the Humanitarian Bowl. They are to Idaho as what the Huskers are to Nebraska. They aren't a huge TV market, but they don't have any problems with program support and they've been a tremendous marketing machine the last ten years promoting and bringing it into national football relevance.

BYU would secure most of the State of Utah. They have a high major TV market, rich program history and solid athletics all around.

UNLV is the hardest to justify based on current numbers, but I see them benefitting the most from joining a major conference like a Big 12 Super Conference. The confence (and fans) in turn gets the opportunity to enjoy Vegas at least once a year in either football or basketball. With the Air Force base outside Vegas, and UNLV in the same conference it would sure up Vegas and most of Nevada as a Big 12 State.

I know it would sound a little odd to go after a number of smaller schools in the MWC instead of programs like Pitt and Notre Dame, but we would get to pick the biggest and best. We'd only fight the Pac 10 for TV time in Colorado, and the Big 10 for TV time in Nebraska, but solidly gain, Idaho, Utah, and Nevada. It may not seem like much but gaining Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas without even having a school in any of those states would just be icing on the cake. If Missouri ever decided to bolt (since they seem currently to be the next school that might want to bolt), Colorado State or Nevada could fill their place. It would be a drop in quality, but it wouldn't be a big hit overall because of everything we'd gain jumping to a Super Conference.

 

[everyyard]

New Big 12 Super Conference
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Here are my thoughts if A&M leaves.

Just go for it. Create the 16 Team Super Conference.

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, SMU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Air Force, Boise State, BYU, and UNLV.

Division 1
Texas
Baylor
SMU
Oklahoma State
Air Force
Kansas
Iowa State
Boise State

Division 2
Oklahoma
TCU
Houston
Texas Tech
UNLV
Kansas State
Missouri
BYU

Each team would play 6 of their division opponents each year, their 1 "natural" rival in the other division, which is why I split the states up, and 1 (possibly 2) other opponent(s) from the other division on a rotating basis. (The only problem would be whether Oklahoma's rival would be Texas or Oklahoma State)

Here is why I chose the schools I chose.

Houston, SMU and TCU would add quality football programs and revive old rivalries. SMU and Houston would have the chance to return to national relevance again. TCU would bring a very good Football team into the Big 12 mix.

Air Force has tremendous following all across the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain States probably because of all the Air Forces bases scattered throughout the region. From Sioux Falls, SD to North Dakota to Montana, Colorado, Las Vegas and Utah, Air Force has a nice fan base that could benefit from their presence in a major conference who would dominate the TV airwaves of the region.

Boise State seems to me like a no brainer, maybe because I've been a fan since before we met them in the Humanitarian Bowl. They are to Idaho as what the Huskers are to Nebraska. They aren't a huge TV market, but they don't have any problems with program support and they've been a tremendous marketing machine the last ten years promoting and bringing it into national football relevance.

BYU would secure most of the State of Utah. They have a high major TV market, rich program history and solid athletics all around.

UNLV is the hardest to justify based on current numbers, but I see them benefitting the most from joining a major conference like a Big 12 Super Conference. The confence (and fans) in turn gets the opportunity to enjoy Vegas at least once a year in either football or basketball. With the Air Force base outside Vegas, and UNLV in the same conference it would sure up Vegas and most of Nevada as a Big 12 State.

I know it would sound a little odd to go after a number of smaller schools in the MWC instead of programs like Pitt and Notre Dame, but we would get to pick the biggest and best. We'd only fight the Pac 10 for TV time in Colorado, and the Big 10 for TV time in Nebraska, but solidly gain, Idaho, Utah, and Nevada. It may not seem like much but gaining Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas without even having a school in any of those states would just be icing on the cake. If Missouri ever decided to bolt (since they seem currently to be the next school that might want to bolt), Colorado State or Nevada could fill their place. It would be a drop in quality, but it wouldn't be a big hit overall because of everything we'd gain jumping to a Super Conference.

This post displays such a total lack of understanding of the factors involved that I am just going to pretend you didn't post it.

 

[Wesley]

Navy and Army would be cool also. However, it won't happen.

 

[StLouisClone]

New Big 12 Super Conference
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Here are my thoughts if A&M leaves.

Just go for it. Create the 16 Team Super Conference.

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, SMU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Air Force, Boise State, BYU, and UNLV.

I don't think you are as far off base as some. Everyone thinks you need to add new TV markets but they are assuming there will be only four 16 team super conferences. If there are five 16 team super conferences, one of them could look a lot like this. I'd probably add New Mexico instead of SMU. You'd definitely try to reach out to an Arkansas as well. Everyone would like the Big 12 to expand East, but that would likely require ND.

 

[trajanJ]

I don't think you are as far off base as some. Everyone thinks you need to add new TV markets but they are assuming there will be only four 16 team super conferences. If there are five 16 team super conferences, one of them could look a lot like this. I'd probably add New Mexico instead of SMU. You'd definitely try to reach out to an Arkansas as well. Everyone would like the Big 12 to expand East, but that would likely require ND.

There some reasons you would only have 4 super conferences. It would make a perfect playoff system and they only have to share the wealth with 64 teams. To look even further down the road they can get rid of the NCAA and form their own governing body and then have their own basketball invitational national tourney and keep the 777 million that tv just signed over to the NCAA. Sure some of that would have to be used to fund the new governing body but not near the amount that is used now with the NCAA. This is all about money and the schools with it don't want to share with another 16 teams.

 

[Cydwinder]

There some reasons you would only have 4 super conferences. It would make a perfect playoff system and they only have to share the wealth with 64 teams. To look even further down the road they can get rid of the NCAA and form their own governing body and then have their own basketball invitational national tourney and keep the 777 million that tv just signed over to the NCAA. Sure some of that would have to be used to fund the new governing body but not near the amount that is used now with the NCAA. This is all about money and the schools with it don't want to share with another 16 teams.

I'm pretty sure if the teams left the NCAA to start a new governing body the federal government would be ready to tax it. Right now it's tax exempt.

 

[ljhlax]

This post displays such a total lack of understanding of the factors involved that I am just going to pretend you didn't post it.

Thanks. I'm not sure what it lacks, but I know it would make for great sport, produce National Champions, solidify a (until now) disjointed region of the sporting world, give Texas some old rivalries back and allow them enough easy competition they'd feel like they could compete for National Championships each year. It could help turn the west into what the South East has become. Last time I checked Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina weren't huge states with huge TV markets, but they're capable of competing on a national level. The logic to secure the biggest markets, biggest schools and programs isn't what made the Big 8 great, and won't make the future of the Big 12. People are looking for great rivalries with great competition. The NCAA would NEVER turn a super sized conference with Texas and Oklahoma into a non-qualifier. As for UNLV the potential dormat of the conference looking like a joke being included in the super conference. Where would you rather travel based on cost, availability of hotel, and overall entertainment? Vanderbilt or UNLV. I know my answer and I have put my money in that boat before (when ISU played UNLV and played in the Las Vegas Invitational in Basketball) and I'd do it again in a new Super Conference. I think it is crazy to go after the like of Pitt or ND or some other schools not geographically and traditionally linked to the Big 12. Last time I checked NYU wasn't a good football program, but it's the biggest TV market, but I know dozens of friends that show up to bars with hundreds of people in NY to watch ISU / Iowa every year. This idea that big schools with huge TV markets is the only step forward for the Big 12 doesn't click with me. The Big 12 needs to find a natural growth, and it seems to me that splitting the MWC is the best way to go, grabbing a couple out of Conference USA, letting the schools in the East fight over the leftovers from Conference USA, and the Pac 10 and the WAC to absorb what might be left of the MWC. I think that is understanding, just not what you want to hear.

 

[trajanJ]

I'm pretty sure if the teams left the NCAA to start a new governing body the federal government would be ready to tax it. Right now it's tax exempt.

What's the difference? It would just be their own version of the NCAA. The money would all go back to the schools with a portion used to govern the schools just like it does now.

 

[Incyte]

Thanks. I'm not sure what it lacks, but I know it would make for great sport, produce National Champions, solidify a (until now) disjointed region of the sporting world, give Texas some old rivalries back and allow them enough easy competition they'd feel like they could compete for National Championships each year. It could help turn the west into what the South East has become. Last time I checked Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina weren't huge states with huge TV markets, but they're capable of competing on a national level. The logic to secure the biggest markets, biggest schools and programs isn't what made the Big 8 great, and won't make the future of the Big 12. People are looking for great rivalries with great competition. The NCAA would NEVER turn a super sized conference with Texas and Oklahoma into a non-qualifier. As for UNLV the potential dormat of the conference looking like a joke being included in the super conference. Where would you rather travel based on cost, availability of hotel, and overall entertainment? Vanderbilt or UNLV. I know my answer and I have put my money in that boat before (when ISU played UNLV and played in the Las Vegas Invitational in Basketball) and I'd do it again in a new Super Conference. I think it is crazy to go after the like of Pitt or ND or some other schools not geographically and traditionally linked to the Big 12. Last time I checked NYU wasn't a good football program, but it's the biggest TV market, but I know dozens of friends that show up to bars with hundreds of people in NY to watch ISU / Iowa every year. This idea that big schools with huge TV markets is the only step forward for the Big 12 doesn't click with me. The Big 12 needs to find a natural growth, and it seems to me that splitting the MWC is the best way to go, grabbing a couple out of Conference USA, letting the schools in the East fight over the leftovers from Conference USA, and the Pac 10 and the WAC to absorb what might be left of the MWC. I think that is understanding, just not what you want to hear.

I'm definitely in the lack of understanding camp.

 

[F5cy]

From the NY Times:Texas A&M Closer to Withdrawing from Big 12

"Texas A&M’s departure from the Big 12 drew closer to reality on Monday when the university president, R. Bowen Loftin, sent a letter to the Big 12 board chairman, Missouri President Brady Deaton, notifying the league it will formally withdraw — very likely on Tuesday — according to two college officials with direct knowledge of the decision."​

 

[Wesley]

Notre Dame will say no to the Big 12 - CBSSports.com

 

[captain7cf]

I think you go to 14.... BYU plus Big East teams... Add 5... BYU Cincy Lville Pitt and WVU..

play 6 in division and 2 cross over.. or if you want to keep 9 conference games 6 in division 1 protected and 2 additional cross over...

By leaving 2 spots open you leave yourself flexibility and options for the future... Because if you basically kill Big East football then the conference may collapse causing ND to look for a new home for Olympic sports and maybe all sports then..

On top of FB could you imagine adding those schools for basketball??

 

[CyBer]

So what happens if ND and BYU and Texas decide they want their own conference?

 

[QBUMizzou]

I think you go to 14.... BYU plus Big East teams... Add 5... BYU Cincy Lville Pitt and WVU..

play 6 in division and 2 cross over.. or if you want to keep 9 conference games 6 in division 1 protected and 2 additional cross over...

By leaving 2 spots open you leave yourself flexibility and options for the future... Because if you basically kill Big East football then the conference may collapse causing ND to look for a new home for Olympic sports and maybe all sports then..

On top of FB could you imagine adding those schools for basketball??

I believe the Big 12 will go after Louisville and Cincinnati even if they do land BYU.

 

[cyclone83]

I don't think you are as far off base as some. Everyone thinks you need to add new TV markets but they are assuming there will be only four 16 team super conferences. If there are five 16 team super conferences, one of them could look a lot like this. I'd probably add New Mexico instead of SMU. You'd definitely try to reach out to an Arkansas as well. Everyone would like the Big 12 to expand East, but that would likely require ND.

No way will there be more than 64 teams in the super conference era BCS. The rich schools do not want to subsidize the schools that do nothing to bring in national TV contract revenue. Lucrative pro sports franchise owners routinely push for franchise contraction of the weaker franchises. In any pro sport league you could contract the bottom 4 revenue producing teams and not jeopardize your national TV contracts. The national TV contract pie would remain the same size but the peices would get bigger after contraction.

Any one who thinks the Texas and Ohio States want to share national TV money equally with Houston, Air Force and SMU or New Mexico are nuts.

 

[StLouisClone]

Any one who thinks the Texas and Ohio States want to share national TV money equally with Houston, Air Force and SMU or New Mexico are nuts.

Who said anything about splitting the money equally?