*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Cyclonestate78]

If that annoys you what really will annoy you is their 'Our team never loses, they just run out of time' crap.

A program that deserves to be recognized as part of the college football elite would never have fans that would say something as stupid as that. Teams that are elite just win the damn game so the fans have no need for lame sayings and excuses.

Quite frankly I was shocked about the stuff they do at A&M that I was reading about on Shaggybevo. It is absolutely disgusting and quite frankly I am glad they will be gone. I can't wait to have an opportunity to run into an Aggie fan to give them a ton of **** about it. Those people down there are sick. :yes:

 

[iahawkhunter]

I understand that but we don't brag about "winning" halftime shows. Is this some secret competition that nobody knows about? How does one "win" a halftime show? What are the rules of the competition? Are their judges? They take their band way too seriously down there. The next time I hear a Clone fan say "Well... Texas beat us by 8 touchdowns today but who cares... Our band dominated halftime, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!" it will be the first time.

"The band always wins" is more of an inside joke to the band, so it's not an issue here. Our band geeks (myself included) get competitive about halftime, but generally not the crowd as a whole (unlike my perception of aTm).

 

[Wesley]

If this goes to 4 super conferences of 16 - 20 teams each. There are going to be some historically good teams that get humbled every year.

Also if that does happen who is to say they will not decide it is better to play more conference games (= more money from TV contracts) and up conference games to 10 per team, then you would only have 2 OCC games a year.

So a super conference could have 8-9 bowl invites each year?

 

[ljhlax]

What has A&M done to deserve a "say" in the future of the conference equal to Texas or OU? A&M doesn't have the history of football success or national following of either of those schools. What is any school's slice of the "pie" aside from those top two schools? It's just money and as has been pointed out before, A&M will not increase their revenue significantly by moving to the SEC. Also, unless the SEC plays a 7 game conference schedule, they would only have 1 more out of conference game to work with.

I don't understand this importance some people have associated with the Aggies. They're a mid-level team in the Big 12, they don't deserve special privileges the elite teams earn.

32 bowl games, 1 National Championship (3 disputed NCs), 6 Heismans, 18 Conference Championships, 3 (one shared) Division titles in the Big 12, 27 top 25 finishes in the modern AP era, and they have a fan base that actually thinks they are the 12th man on the field. It leads to an inflated ego and conditions that make them think they need a slice of the pie. I never said it was warranted, but it doesn't mean they don't think it.

As for 7 conference games, one of the thoughts with the SEC at thirteen is getting rid of the division and having a revolving 7 game schedule with a championship game. I'm not sure if it is practical or even possible, but it gives the conference flexibility for a year or two as they look to attrack ACC teams and decide which teams might work best. (FSU, Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State or Virginia Tech). They can only take 3 if they go to 16 teams but they a 7 game conference gives more of their teams flexibility to test rivalries. I have friends really pushing for Clemson Georgia Tech and North Carolina while others are pusing for FSU, Miami and Virginia Tech. Needless to say, all can clearly state strong cases based on Rich tradition over the years.

 

[boone7247]

So a super conference could have 8-9 bowl invites each year?

That is true, but didn't ND turn down whatever.com bowl a few years ago because it wasn't prestigious enough? It is just going to change the way we think about good college teams. It is unlikely we will have to many undefeated teams. Also I think two loss teams are more likely to win conference championships.

 

[VeloClone]

The next time I hear a Clone fan say "Well... Texas beat us by 8 touchdowns today but who cares... Our tailgate rocked, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!" it won't be the first time.

FIFY

 

[ljhlax]

So a super conference could have 8-9 bowl invites each year?

Look at the Big East in Basketball. The numbers almost immediately inflate strength of schedule and then the close game, even record in the middle madness becomes a story in itself and they get the Bracket spots. I think it would probably be similar in Football with the first super conference.

As we've seen, Stoops and other coaches in the Big 12 have made comments about the Big 12 schedule and the importance of quality Non-Conference opponents heading into Big 12 play with a 10 team conference. With 16 teams the sheer numbers would bump the S.O.Ss. You have 6 more teams that could find a team or two in Non-Conf that would inflate S.O.S. before conference games and then the Conference would continue to climb because of the quality of their Conference opponents.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Because it should be a conference of equal voices and it is not. That is a big reason we are in this mess right now.

A&M DOESN'T WANT a conference of equal voices. That's not what their beef is in this, as for the entire existence of the Big 12 they have always had one of the loudest voices. A&M's beef is their voice isn't as loud as Texas'. A&M doesn't want a Big 12 with equal say, they want a Big 12 where everyone bows down to them, including Texas. But since they can't have that, they're going to run along to the SEC, ensuring they never again become the kind of relevant they so desperately want to be.

Essentially, A&M is a little emo girl who ran away from home because she didn't get her way and cut herself for good measure.

A conference should be a number of schools that act as allies, not trying to screw each other out of every dollar and opportunity.

So what's A&M's excuse then? They've never been an ally to anyone else in the Big 12 unless it served their own best interests, and they have a history of trying to milk every single dollar out of the conference for themselves (see Nebraska's and Colorado's parting revenue).

Honestly, I really don't get all this defense of A&M. I mean, this is the school, if they had it their own way according to TexAgs, would have had ISU booted from the conference just so they wouldn't have had to travel to Ames to compete. Yeah, that sounds like a great conference citizen...

 

[jbhtexas]

A&M DOESN'T WANT a conference of equal voices. That's not what their beef is in this, as for the entire existence of the Big 12 they have always had one of the loudest voices. A&M's beef is their voice isn't as loud as Texas'. A&M doesn't want a Big 12 with equal say, they want a Big 12 where everyone bows down to them, including Texas. But since they can't have that, they're going to run along to the SEC, ensuring they never again become the kind of relevant they so desperately want to be.

Essentially, A&M is a little emo girl who ran away from home because she didn't get her way and cut herself for good measure.

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So what's A&M's excuse then? They've never been an ally to anyone else in the Big 12 unless it served their own best interests, and they have a history of trying to milk every single dollar out of the conference for themselves (see Nebraska's and Colorado's parting revenue).

Honestly, I really don't get all this defense of A&M. I mean, this is the school, if they had it their own way according to TexAgs, would have had ISU booted from the conference just so they wouldn't have had to travel to Ames to compete. Yeah, that sounds like a great conference citizen...

+1 across the board...

As for why folks defend A&M...probably hate/jealousy of UT, and desire for the Big 12 to fail so ISU can go to the Big Ten, etc.

 

[mustangcy]

A&M DOESN'T WANT a conference of equal voices. That's not what their beef is in this, as for the entire existence of the Big 12 they have always had one of the loudest voices. A&M's beef is their voice isn't as loud as Texas'. A&M doesn't want a Big 12 with equal say, they want a Big 12 where everyone bows down to them, including Texas. But since they can't have that, they're going to run along to the SEC, ensuring they never again become the kind of relevant they so desperately want to be.

Essentially, A&M is a little emo girl who ran away from home because she didn't get her way and cut herself for good measure.



So what's A&M's excuse then? They've never been an ally to anyone else in the Big 12 unless it served their own best interests, and they have a history of trying to milk every single dollar out of the conference for themselves (see Nebraska's and Colorado's parting revenue).

Honestly, I really don't get all this defense of A&M. I mean, this is the school, if they had it their own way according to TexAgs, would have had ISU booted from the conference just so they wouldn't have had to travel to Ames to compete. Yeah, that sounds like a great conference citizen...

This should be posted on the front page....a-freaking-men.

 

[brett108]

"The band always wins" is more of an inside joke to the band, so it's not an issue here. Our band geeks (myself included) get competitive about halftime, but generally not the crowd as a whole (unlike my perception of aTm).

They need to play tOSU. I am sorry, but that is the best marching band I have ever seen. Period. Aggies can believe whatever they want.

 

[brett108]

I have two coworkers who graduated from A/M, and neither one wants to be in the SEC. They want to stay in the Big 12 and keep their program moving up.

I have a feeling it is the t-shirt fans at A/M that are making all the aggies look bad. The reason why all this is not going as fast as all the message board posters want is simply because there are smart people making the decisions at A/M, and I am sure they feel similarly to the grads that I know. Moving to the SEC is knee-jerk, and could undo a ton of the success that they have built both academically and athletically.

 

[shawn_200m]

Dave Sittler: Texas' arrogance at heart of Big 12 drama | Tulsa World

Interesting...perhaps everything isn't so hunky-dory with OU and TX as they'd like us to believe.

 

[CyBobby]

There is one team and its arrogance that is gonna implode the big 12....


The Texas Longhorns....


When you have one team who wants it all and needs it all for ego gratification this is the mess that ensues....


I said and nobody believed me when I said that A & M was still talking to the SEC...


Now I hear that Mizzou and its lovely Govenor is still making overtures to the big 10 and still getting punked by the conference hq in chi town....

Anybody want to bet me that after A & M leaves that Mizzou is NOT the next one to leave?

The stinking texas longhorns are on their road to independence and leaving their wreckage of the big 12 behind....

 

[Cydwinder]

There is one team and its arrogance that is gonna implode the big 12....


The Texas Longhorns....


When you have one team who wants it all and needs it all for ego gratification this is the mess that ensues....


I said and nobody believed me when I said that A & M was still talking to the SEC...


Now I hear that Mizzou and its lovely Govenor is still making overtures to the big 10 and still getting punked by the conference hq in chi town....

Anybody want to bet me that after A & M leaves that Mizzou is NOT the next one to leave?

The stinking texas longhorns are on their road to independence and leaving their wreckage of the big 12 behind....

I would say it is TAMU's desire to get rid of Texas that is driving this whole thing. The reasons that were given initially (2nd conference game, HS games) have been fixed for the most part.

 

[CyDude16]

So OU wants to blast Texas for the LHN when they, themselves were looking into creating a Sooner Network? That's rich.


Sure Texas arrogance has been a part of this mess, but A&M's inferiority complex and fans desires have been the bigger problem.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Texas A&M Leaving Big 12

Best post of the thread.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

FIFY

Why would you do that? :realmad:

 

[CyDude16]

There is one team and its arrogance that is gonna implode the big 12....


The Texas Longhorns....


When you have one team who wants it all and needs it all for ego gratification this is the mess that ensues....


I said and nobody believed me when I said that A & M was still talking to the SEC...


Now I hear that Mizzou and its lovely Govenor is still making overtures to the big 10 and still getting punked by the conference hq in chi town....

Anybody want to bet me that after A & M leaves that Mizzou is NOT the next one to leave?

The stinking texas longhorns are on their road to independence and leaving their wreckage of the big 12 behind....

Are we actually suppose to take you and woodie seriously?

 

[VeloClone]

Why would you do that? :realmad:

You seriously have never heard something like that after a blowout loss? Apparently you haven't stuck around the tailgates after those games, because I hear something like that after nearly every blowout.