*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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CycloneWanderer

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Repost of a guy on a BYU site regarding the game change:
UneducatedFan OSU Game change is a big deal, here's why
Look at our schedule and OSU's schedule for 2012:

Ours:
2012 BYU Cougars Football Schedule

OSU:
Oregon State Beavers Football Schedules and Future Schedules

People are saying this game will be moved back in the schedule for 2012.

That's not really possible. The Pac-12 has a rule that there are NO OOC games after Conf. play starts. In 2012 the OSU Pac-12 Conf. HAS to start on 9/29 without any BYE's just to get them their 9 conf. games before their Championship game.

That means if the game is going to be played in 2012, that it will have to be BEFORE 9/29.

Well that's also a problem because we are BOOKED in September with Weber, Utah and Boise State. Utah is not going to move their game BACK to Sept. 29th for the same reason OSU can't. Pac-12 rules.

So the only chance is if Utah moves their game up to be the first game of the season (Ughh.) or Weber State's date moves (the one that was just announced so not likely).

Maybe BSU will move back to 9/29 or 9/1 which would leave 9/22 open. However if OSU plans a BYE next year anytime during conference play, they will be starting Conf. play that day instead of 9/29.

The most likely scenario is that we just lost that Home game for next year.

For all you Indy RULEZ guys, and I respect your diehard "tow the company line" fervor, this is the problem with INDY.

If we join the Big XII, this all becomes MOOT.

However if we are staying INDY our 2012 schedule just got MESSED OVER bigtime.

If we lose OSU as a home game for 2012, that means our home games next year are: (Drumroll please)

Weber State
Utah State
Hawaii
Idaho

That is absolutely HORRIBLE.

Maybe someone can tell me who we are going to come to BYU for a home game next year?

If we are staying Indy, next year is going to be WORSE than this year for home games.
 

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I bet every coach of every sport in the SEC is contacting kids in Texas right now.
Like they hadn't before? Oh, please! This move by A&M is stupid both from a competitive standpoint and a financial one. I hope enough of the SEC membership sees the stupidity of adding A&M and rejects Aggieland's application. The addition will only make the members' cut of the SEC TV revenue smaller. CBS/ESPN are not going to renegotiate the SEC's TV deals IMHO; there seems to be growing evidence supporting my position on this. If A&M is rejected, I'm expecting that experience will humble them, and they become at least tolerable Big12 members in the future. I don't see Aggie membership in the SEC as a done deal. When Loftin and Slive are at the podium together with a signed contract in hand, then I'll believe it's a done deal and no sooner.
 
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I'm implying that by knowing about something you therefore care more about it than you did before you knew it. I don't believe you can care as little about something as if you had never heard about it ever again unless you actually lose the memory of it. At the time you make the statement "I couldn't care less" you have to remember and know what you are talking about, otherwise you couldn't make that statement.

For example- let's say I put a leaf on your lawn this afternoon. Today, you go home from work and don't notice it. Your care about that leaf is at the absolute zero of care. You don't know about it and you've not devoted a single moment of your time to it. Tomorrow morning I post on CF that I left a leaf on your yard. You find out about it, but you really don't care very much at all. A leaf being on your yard doesn't have any meaning or impact on your life. You move on with your day and never give it a second thought. You still care (or did care at the moment I told you) more than you did before you knew it was there. You devoted at least a split second of thought to the leaf and therefore a least a split second of care to it. You are now (or were briefly) at 1 degree Kelvin of care. As soon as you forget about it, you're back to zero. Simply by taking the time and energy to acknowledge the issue, you now care more than you once did.
So is that how an Aggie thinks?
 

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I'm implying that by knowing about something you therefore care more about it than you did before you knew it. I don't believe you can care as little about something as if you had never heard about it ever again unless you actually lose the memory of it. At the time you make the statement "I couldn't care less" you have to remember and know what you are talking about, otherwise you couldn't make that statement.

For example- let's say I put a leaf on your lawn this afternoon. Today, you go home from work and don't notice it. Your care about that leaf is at the absolute zero of care. You don't know about it and you've not devoted a single moment of your time to it. Tomorrow morning I post on CF that I left a leaf on your yard. You find out about it, but you really don't care very much at all. A leaf being on your yard doesn't have any meaning or impact on your life. You move on with your day and never give it a second thought. You still care (or did care at the moment I told you) more than you did before you knew it was there. You devoted at least a split second of thought to the leaf and therefore a least a split second of care to it. You are now (or were briefly) at 1 degree Kelvin of care. As soon as you forget about it, you're back to zero. Simply by taking the time and energy to acknowledge the issue, you now care more than you once did.
Depends on your definition of "care". At the very least, I would submit that "knowing about" something does not automatically generate care about said something.


(I'm really sorry -- last offtopic post, I absolutely promise -- I just couldn't help myself.)


I can't believe I haven't read anything about the possibility of the new TV deal getting voided by aTm leaving. (Did I redeem myself?)
 

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Could the caring/not caring topic be moved to its own new thread. It is really annoying and I don't want to put the posters on my ignore list because when they are on topic I value their thoughts...but, this is as bad as the Tammy message board right now.

Guys, let's keep it (at least somewhat) on topic as it seems we have actual news now and more may be breaking.
 

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Does anybody remember what that one guy was saying a few hundred pages back? It was interesting and relevant here. Just can't find it. Who wants to help?
 

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Meanwhile, "at one time" infers this is something that's in the past - as in no longer takes place.

So again, it's reference/link to the current conference realignment decision by A&M is lost.

If you've ever been to College Station, you would understand that these values run deep. Even today, after they've seen the errors of those ways, Aggie fans, alums, and admins still engage in irrational behavior based in logic, and not emotion. A recent example is the decision to leave the Big 12 for the SEC.

If you can't make that connection, it's not my problem.
 
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Spoke 2 former #BYU AD Val Hale. Says BYU has been talking about getting into a power league for 30 years. These chances don't come often.
 

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You're not thinking about the meaning behind the words. As I said, it's false. There was a time when you cared less than you do today and therefore to say that you couldn't care less is false. You could and did care less at one time in your life.

To say the phrase in a logically correct way you would have to qualify it by saying something like -- "I couldn't care less, unless I didn't care at all"

You are wrong. You can't logically measure something like someone's amount of care. how can you measure if someone care's less now or when they didn't know about it? Reductionism doesn't work with what peopel say because what people mean behind a statement like 'I couldn't care less' can not be conveyed in one short logical equation. People's knoweldge and experiences go into making a statment. Also,When people say that statement, they usually mean "Knowing that Texas A&M is leaving, I couldn't care less about it." What they don't mean is "I couldn't care less about Texas A&M leaving, including in the past when I didn't even know about them leaving and therefore didn't care about it at all."
 
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You are wrong. You can't logically measure something like someone's amount of care. how can you measure if someone care's less now or when they didn't know about it? Reductionism doesn't work because what people mean behind a statement like 'I couldn't care less' can not be conveyed in one short logical equation. People's knoweldge and experiences go into making a statment. Also,When people say that statement, they usually mean "Knowing that Texas A&M is leaving, I couldn't care less about it." What they don't mean is "I couldn't care less about Texas A&M leaving, including in the past when I didn't even know about them leaving and therefore didn't care about it at all."

For **** sake already, STFU about it. It is annoying the hell out of me. Are you in 2nd grade?? I am sure this is the response you were looking for, so here it is. Now be done already or start a new thread on your monkey talk
 
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