*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[CycloneErik]

I see a lot of posts from Mizzou fans stating they have no interest in going to the Pac 12 because of time zones and geography. Yet those same fans have no problem bringing Air Force, BYU and Houston to the Big 12.

IMO, it's a wash.

If by some chance Mizzou, Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were to go the Pac 12, I'm pretty sure they would play in the "eastern division" with Utah, Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado.

IMO, that is no worse than traveling to SEC locales. Further, that division would be very good in football and basketball.

I would assume Mizzou would play divisional rivals every year, and rotate two western division teams into their schedule each season as well.

Finally, the Pac 12's academics seem more compatible to Mizzou than the SEC's.

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

That would mean five previous Big 8 members would be reunited. I can't help but prefer this to any scenario outside of an invitation to the Big Ten, which I'm not sure is ever coming.

I like the thought you've put into this. It's a fascinating idea.

At the same time, I hate that college sports is reaching a point where we're even talking about a "Pacific" conference reaching Missouri. Missouri isn't exactly Pacific.

 

[isuno1fan]

One thing is becoming clear: both OU/UT would like for the Big 12 to exist, but it is sounding more and more like they both realize it isn't a viable conference in the long term (due primarily to the unbalanced demographics).

That's crap as well. B12 is just as viable as any conference out there.

 

[alarson]

It matters BIG time in the non-revenue sports.

And how would the non-revenue sports be affected if the big 12 falls apart? Best case scenario, we have the same exact thing if we get a big east spot. Worst case we're doing a MWC schedule.

If raiding the east saves the big 12, then its a great thing.

 

[boone7247]

I see a lot of posts from Mizzou fans stating they have no interest in going to the Pac 12 because of time zones and geography. Yet those same fans have no problem bringing Air Force, BYU and Houston to the Big 12.

IMO, it's a wash.

If by some chance Mizzou, Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were to go the Pac 12, I'm pretty sure they would play in the "eastern division" with Utah, Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado.

IMO, that is no worse than traveling to SEC locales. Further, that division would be very good in football and basketball.

I would assume Mizzou would play divisional rivals every year, and rotate two western division teams into their schedule each season as well.

Finally, the Pac 12's academics seem more compatible to Mizzou than the SEC's.

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

That would mean five previous Big 8 members would be reunited. I can't help but prefer this to any scenario outside of an invitation to the Big Ten, which I'm not sure is ever coming.

I don't see OU Leaving unless UT leaves them no choice. OU would hate losing going into Texas every year, and don't think for a minute that UT wouldn't stop the Red River Rivalry. Look at what most like will happen with aTm once the SECede.

 

[brett108]

I see a lot of posts from Mizzou fans stating they have no interest in going to the Pac 12 because of time zones and geography. Yet those same fans have no problem bringing Air Force, BYU and Houston to the Big 12.

IMO, it's a wash.

If by some chance Mizzou, Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were to go the Pac 12, I'm pretty sure they would play in the "eastern division" with Utah, Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado.

IMO, that is no worse than traveling to SEC locales. Further, that division would be very good in football and basketball.

I would assume Mizzou would play divisional rivals every year, and rotate two western division teams into their schedule each season as well.

Finally, the Pac 12's academics seem more compatible to Mizzou than the SEC's.

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

That would mean five previous Big 8 members would be reunited. I can't help but prefer this to any scenario outside of an invitation to the Big Ten, which I'm not sure is ever coming.

Uhh, how is that a wash? The only one outside of the old Big 12 footprint(with Colorado and Nebraska) is BYU. Air Force is in Colorado Springs, and it should be obvious where Houston is.

 

[MNCyGuy]

I see a lot of posts from Mizzou fans stating they have no interest in going to the Pac 12 because of time zones and geography. Yet those same fans have no problem bringing Air Force, BYU and Houston to the Big 12.

IMO, it's a wash.

If by some chance Mizzou, Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were to go the Pac 12, I'm pretty sure they would play in the "eastern division" with Utah, Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado.

IMO, that is no worse than traveling to SEC locales. Further, that division would be very good in football and basketball.

I would assume Mizzou would play divisional rivals every year, and rotate two western division teams into their schedule each season as well.

Finally, the Pac 12's academics seem more compatible to Mizzou than the SEC's.

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

That would mean five previous Big 8 members would be reunited. I can't help but prefer this to any scenario outside of an invitation to the Big Ten, which I'm not sure is ever coming.

BYU and AF would be mountain time zone, no worse than when Colorado was here. 1 hour difference is a lot better than 2 hour difference.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The travel for ISU and MU is ridiculous. No Thanks.

Not it isn't. It will be less than an hour more on average over what we would have had to do going to the south. Plus, it would probably allow for an 8 game schedule.

Pit-806 miles
WVU-871
Louisville-613
Cinci-613
Syracuse-1020
Rutgers-1123

Total-5064
Ave-841

Texas Tech-925
Texas-964
Baylor-863
OKSt.-543
OK-596
aTm-949

Total-4840
Ave-807

 

[HoopsTournament]

@DanWetzel
Source: B12 discussing trying to add 1) WVU, Pitt, Louisville or 2) just BYU. Nothing definitive or imminent, just talk. Time an issue tho

 

[Wesley]

BYU does have a major scheduling problem, their home schedule is really really bad.

Yeah, UNI plays just as tough a schedule.

 

[FDWxMan]

Not it isn't. It will be less than an hour more on average over what we would have had to do going to the south. Plus, it would probably allow for an 8 game schedule.

Pit-806 miles
WVU-871
Louisville-613
Cinci-613
Syracuse-1020
Rutgers-1123

Total-5064
Ave-841

Texas Tech-925
Texas-964
Baylor-863
OKSt.-543
OK-596
aTm-949

Total-4840
Ave-807

Exactly...most people don't realize just how far Texas is from Ames.

And for the record, if you're pushing for BYU, Provo to Ames is 1117 mi, same as adding Rutgers (1124).

This (east) travel would not be a significant change from adding a BYU or Houston SMU type.

 

[Stormin]

Louisville used to travel to Drake all the time in the Missouri Valley Conference. Not a big deal IMO.

 

[QBUMizzou]

I apologize if this has already been posted, but Tim Brando makes a lot of sense.

Tim Brando Talks SEC Expansion - CBS 42 Birmingham, AL News Weather Sports

 

[cyatheart]

@DanWetzel
Source: B12 discussing trying to add 1) WVU, Pitt, Louisville or 2) just BYU. Nothing definitive or imminent, just talk. Time an issue tho

This makes sense to me. Keeps them in good bball company, helps them in football, money makes sense. Would be really good additions.

 

[IcSyU]

The athletes will tell you the time zone change blows.

And you can't just compare to the south. You lose your shortest rides (KU, KSU) and your shortest becomes Mizzou (5 hour bus ride). Now instead of Wednesday night busing down to Lawrence, you're flying to Louisville. Our game were scheduled in a way that hopefully left the athletes travelling short distances during the week when they're in class. Not possible in the above.

 

[boone7247]

The ultimate goal of this thread is to get to 6969, right?

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Who is Dan Wetzel? I am of the impression from last night BYU is in and there will be 2 other teams. Also I am with others...add the whole Big East and be an 18 league conference.

 

[Judoka]

Problem with the Big East and ACC schools...to many of them bball matters and some of them actually care about academics, lot of them have no interest in the midwest schools or even realize they exist. different mindset than the "footbal only" mindset of the south schools

ISU, Mizzou, Texas, and KU all fit in fine academically in any conference. The Big XII isn't the Big 10 or Pac 12, but we're a huge step above the SEC in those terms.

 

[QBUMizzou]

Pinkel's earns a whopping amount of respect for his comments on Brando's radio show today.

Gary Pinkel | Yahoo Sports Radio

David Ubben believes Pinkel will be disciplined for his remarks about Dan Beebe.

Pinkel is sharp, but who is he criticizing? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

 

[rholtgraves]

Pinkel's earns a whopping amount of respect for his comments on Brando's radio show today.

Gary Pinkel | Yahoo Sports Radio

David Ubben believes Pinkel will be disciplined for his remarks about Dan Beebe.

Pinkel is sharp, but who is he criticizing? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

I thought they should have gotten rid of Beebe last year during that whole debacle, he obviously has done a crappy job of running the conference. Any regular person would have been fired for that big of a screw-up. You shouldn't lose two teams from your conference, especially one of the best footbal teams in Nebraska, and keep your job. I know people have said that Beebe has done a great job in keeping the conference together, and the gave him praise for the television deal. Guess what, the conference would have never lost members with a better commissioner and now we lost A&M. Plus he didn't have anything to do with the TV deal, the big 12 would have gotten a new deal regardless of who the president was because their contract was up.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

ISU, Mizzou, Texas, and KU all fit in fine academically in any conference. The Big XII isn't the Big 10 or Pac 12, but we're a huge step above the SEC in those terms.

You do realize the academic rankings of SEC schools are higher than that of the Big 12 schools right?

SEC

17- Vanderbilt
53- University of Florida
56- University of Georgia
79- University of Alabama
85- Auburn University
104- University of Tennessee-Knoxville
111- University of South Carolina-Columbia
124- Louisiana State University
129- University of Kentucky
132- University of Arkansas
143- University of Mississippi
151- Mississippi State University

Conference Average: 98.6

Big 12
45- University of Texas-Austin
63- Texas A&M University
79- Baylor University
94- Iowa State
94- University of Missouri-Columbia
104- University of Kansas
111- University of Oklahoma
132- Kansas State University
132- Oklahoma State University
159- Texas Tech University

Conference Average: 101.3