*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[snowcraig2.0]

C:Lobby like hell to get into the BE before K-State. I think we could do it as we are a better geographical fit with basketball schools DePaul, Marquette and ND (who must be appeased to vote for the expanded conference), not that much worse than KState athletically and we are a head and shoulders better educational institution (appeases the academic schools like Georgetown, ND, etc)..

This is why I think that the football members of the Big East and the leftover members of the Big 12 will join forces under the Big 12 name, leaving the Big East as a basketball only conference.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Beebe needs fired right now. He should have lost his job after losing NU and CU.

 

[CyForPresident]

Yeah.

I really think the Big East would just go 14 here. Maybe throw in ECU and UCF for 16.

With the SEC needing 14 teams, unless that 14th team was ND, it's going to open up a Big East spot for ISU some how or another. Whether that's via taking an ACC team who in turn takes a Big East team, whether it's Missouri, or whether it's WVU, it will open something.

This is exactly right. Unless the SEC is stupid enough to stay at 13 teams, the Big East will have a spot. Just hope that the Big 10 does stay at 12.

 

[alarson]

Beebe needs fired right now. He should have lost his job after losing NU and CU.

How exactly is this Beebe's fault? This is all caused by NU, UT, TAMU, and OU.

 

[Wesley]

Beebe needs fired right now. He should have lost his job after losing NU and CU.

David Boren should be fired from the search committee also. He is making a mess messier.

 

[Al_4_State]

This is exactly right. Unless the SEC is stupid enough to stay at 13 teams, the Big East will have a spot. Just hope that the Big 10 does stay at 12.[/]

Big 10 stays at 12 unless they can get ND.

 

[Judoka]

Found this New York Post article on a Jayhawk site RE: Big East.


http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/real_big_east_j6icSyYnLFtDYQJpeeT4cN?utm_campaign=Post10&utm_source=Post10Alpha

Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri


With the Pac-12 on the verge of expanding to 16 teams and the SEC poised to add Texas A&M, officials on the presidential, athletic director and conference levels in the Big East, ACC and Big 12 have been burning up the phone lines over the last 72 hours.
The results of those talks could forever change the makeup of the Big East, The Post has learned.
According to multiple sources, the most likely scenario -- should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12 -- would bring Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to the Big East.
That would create a super conference with 20 schools playing all sports, including 12 FBS football members.
"Obviously we're monitoring the landscape," Big East commissioner John Marinatto told The Post. "We're very aware of the situation and will continue to do what's in the best interests of the Big East Conference."
Marinatto, who sources said sent an email to all of his conference presidents and athletic directors, would offer no specifics and declined to comment on any school. But the league, which faces crucial TV negotiations in November 2012, is looking to best position itself for those talks.
The 12-and-20 alignment would finally give the members that play football a sense of security. The basketball schools would somewhat begrudgingly accept 20 members, knowing it would ensure the league's survival by expanding the league's footprint into the Midwest.
But there are other scenarios that can't be ruled out.
Although Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany recently said in published reports the possible expansion of the Pac-12 does not change his league's approach or timetable for any expansion, several sources said the Big Ten is interested in Maryland of the ACC.
It's a long shot that Maryland, an ACC charter member, would leave that league, but money speaks louder than league affiliation these days.
If the ACC lost Maryland to the Big Ten and the SEC took an ACC program as its 14th member, a possible Big East-ACC "merger" would create an East Coast super conference.
When the Big 12 nearly lost five members to the Pac-12 last year, the Big East had an agreement in principle with Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. The Big East has since added TCU, making Iowa State expendable.
Missouri has dearly wanted an invite to the Big Ten, but one doesn't seem forthcoming.
The SEC might be interested in Missouri, which borders Arkansas, but sources told The Post Missouri sees a better cultural fit with the Big East than the SEC.
In order for the Big East to add a member, a three-quarters vote is needed.
TCU, which joins the league next season, does not have a vote.
That means 12 of 16 schools would have to approve the additions of Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State.

If KU and K-State aren't locked I don't see why the Big East would take K-State over ISU. They don't offer much more of a name in football and we put them to shame in Olympic sports and academics.

 

[acgclone]

I don't see any way that Mizzou falls to the Big East. They will be snatched up by either the SEC or Big 10. Missouri brings too much to the table to be ignored by these conferences.

 

[cyclone83]

A couple good ideas in this thread.


http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1700&p=57887


I really like the idea of the leftover AQ teams taking up the Big 12 mantra. Seems like a group of schools that could really work together.

Can you imagine the bidding war among the big TV networks for this conference?

 

[CloneAbuse]

I still feel like Pollard has a landing set up. He clearly stated that we fans should take our fingers off the panic button. His statement was after Boren's comments on Friday, so the **** had already hit the fan at that point. He couldn't say more than that, but his confidence was clear that there was no panic mode necessary. We've kept our noses clean politically throughout the past two skirmishes and we'll adjust to new circumstances just fine.

I think the Big East is likely our soft landing.

 

[Al_4_State]

Missouri makes more sense for the SEC than anyone else for a lot of reasons:

-New markets. Missouri adds KC and StL
-Geographic fit
-Competitive programs
-Conference is dying. SEC won't have to raid multiple conferences with the Big 12 already dying.

 

[CyForPresident]

Seriously, if you have a choice between the SEC and the Big East, who in their right minds picks the Big East?

 

[CycloneChris]

If KU and K-State aren't locked I don't see why the Big East would take K-State over ISU. They don't offer much more of a name in football and we put them to shame in Olympic sports and academics.

If KU goes to the Big East, they are taking KSU with them. If they go Pac12, KSU is on their own. We were lucky to be added in to last years fallback plan with the Big East. This year we might not be so lucky.

 

[Al_4_State]

Seriously, if you have choice between the SEC and the Big East, who in their right minds picks the Big East?

I'd rather ISU be in a stable Big East than the SEC any day of the week.

What use is thumping your chest over conference affiliation when you're going to 1 bowl a decade?

 

[CloneAbuse]

How exactly is this Beebe's fault? This is all caused by NU, UT, TAMU, and OU.

Clearly as the head administrator for the conference, he should have formalized the remaining 10 schools commitment to the league last year at the conclusion of that round of realignment. To not re-state stiffer penalties for exiting the conference in a written contract was inexcusable.

Truth be told, he did what he was told by Texas/OU. For that alone, he should be fired as a last formal action from the conference upon disintegration.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

How exactly is this Beebe's fault? This is all caused by NU, UT, TAMU, and OU.

Dan Beebe is the commissioner of the conference. How is the conference falling apart not his fault? His job is to further the interests of the conference. Clearly, he has failed at that.

 

[NobodyBeatsCy]

I still feel like Pollard has a landing set up. He clearly stated that we fans should take our fingers off the panic button. His statement was after Boren's comments on Friday, so the **** had already hit the fan at that point. He couldn't say more than that, but his confidence was clear that there was no panic mode necessary. We've kept our noses clean politically throughout the past two skirmishes and we'll adjust to new circumstances just fine.

I think the Big East is likely our soft landing.

Don't be too disappointed at the end of this when Pollard is in front of the cameras, gives a shoulder shrug and says, "Sorry, there was nothing else I could do." This is my expectation. That way, if anything more positive arises, I won't feel like jumping off a bridge - like you guys are going to do if ISU doesn't get into the Big 10, et al.

 

[CycloneChris]

Seriously, if you have choice between the SEC and the Big East, who in their right minds picks the Big East?

Mizzou's leadership wants to believe they are not a "southern" school. They fight against the fact that most of Missouri is hillbilly redneck like the SEC.

 

[alarson]

Dan Beebe is the commissioner of the conference. How is the conference falling apart not his fault? His job is to further the interests of the conference. Clearly, he has failed at that.

The commissioner isnt some all powerful figure. The commish can only act within the wishes of his membership. When the membership is fractured, the commish can present options (as he did last year, which kept the conference limping along for another year), but ultimately everything rests on the shoulders of the members of the conference, particularly those members with power in the conference.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

If Larry Scott was our commissioner, I guarantee you the Big 12 would be clearly the 3rd most stable and strong conference behind the Big 10 and SEC.