*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[hawkfan]

Texas in full blown panic mode, have contacted ACC. Looking for any BCS conference to keep LHN.

LOL. Priceless.

 

[CyForPresident]

2010 Average attendance for MWC and MAC.

MWC averages 28,319.
MAC averages 15,521.

MWC West
San Diego State - 34,133
UNLV - 20,612
Boisie State - 33,269
Fresno State - 34,120
Nevada - 19,576
Hawaii - 37,311

MWC East
Air Force - 40,093
Colorado State - 22,400
Wyoming - 20,791
New Mexico - 20,888
Iowa State - 45,395
Baylor - 40,043



MAC East
Miami (OH) - 15,519
Ohio - 19,046
Temple - 20,515
Kent State - 16,152
Buffalo - 12,981
Akron - 10,185
Massachusetts - 13,005
??? - ???

MAC West
Toledo - 19,333
Northern Illinois - 17,760
Western Michigan - 14,255
Central Michigan - 20,448
Eastern Michigan - 15,885
Ball State - 8,946
Bowling Green - 13,306
Iowa State - 45,395

Both would be an unmitigated disaster.

 

[hawkfan]

Texas in full blown panic mode, have contacted ACC. Looking for any BCS conference to keep LHN.

I'm assuming they're not willing to make a call to Mike Slive?

SEC would let them keep it. UT has stated a number of times they have no desire to join the SECheater conference though.

 

[hobbes]

ESPN and FOX need to settle with the leftovers before OU leaves and kills our deals. FOX/ESPN offering more money to OU to go PAC, conflicts with their deals with us. A settlement would be in their best interest, no one wants to get into litigation.

To me, the most important part of the 2nd tier deal with FOX was the exposure. The $1B 2nd tier deal effectively showed every ISU football game and lots of men's and women's basketball too.

This settlement would have to give an equivalent level of exposure. The games would be on free channels similar to BIG, shown in IA, CHI, KC, MN and the opposing teams region too. Maybe this is done through a new deal with our new conference.

 

[HoopsTournament]

2010 Average attendance for MWC and MAC.

MWC averages 28,319.
MAC averages 15,521.

MWC West
San Diego State - 34,133
UNLV - 20,612
Boisie State - 33,269
Fresno State - 34,120
Nevada - 19,576
Hawaii - 37,311

MWC East
Air Force - 40,093
Colorado State - 22,400
Wyoming - 20,791
New Mexico - 20,888
Iowa State - 45,395
Baylor - 40,043



MAC East
Miami (OH) - 15,519
Ohio - 19,046
Temple - 20,515
Kent State - 16,152
Buffalo - 12,981
Akron - 10,185
Massachusetts - 13,005
??? - ???

MAC West
Toledo - 19,333
Northern Illinois - 17,760
Western Michigan - 14,255
Central Michigan - 20,448
Eastern Michigan - 15,885
Ball State - 8,946
Bowling Green - 13,306
Iowa State - 45,395

Both would be an unmitigated disaster.

MAC IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE EVEN WASTE TIME WORRYING ABOUT OR POSTING ABOUT IT.

Sorry for yelling, but it is ridiculous. As for MWC, it would not be good. It is a possibility and one I am concerned about, but it is the absolute worst-case scenario. Any conference below that like WAC, CUSA or MAC is not going to happen. We are more likely to go to Big Ten than any of them and we aren't going to Big Ten.

 

[jsmith86]

ESPN and FOX need to settle with the leftovers before OU leaves and kills our deals. FOX/ESPN offering more money to OU to go PAC, conflicts with their deals with us. A settlement would be in their best interest, no one wants to get into litigation.

To me, the most important part of the 2nd tier deal with FOX was the exposure. The $1B 2nd tier deal effectively showed every ISU football game and lots of men's and women's basketball too.

This settlement would have to give an equivalent level of exposure. The games would be on free channels similar to BIG, shown in IA, CHI, KC, MN and the opposing teams region too. Maybe this is done through a new deal with our new conference.

If that happens, Fox and ESPN need to be sued into oblivion by the leftovers. And a push will need to be made to change the non-profit status of college football. If we get pushed out by the money schools and can't enjoy nice big TV checks, we need to make it so that no one can.

 

[jsmith86]

Where did you get that from?

From reading his post history, where he separates himself from ISU fans, talks about OU and aTm having options while ISU doesn't ,my guess is that he is either an OU or atm fan. But since he also refers to osu as okie light, he has to be a rabble rouser from the cult of college station.

 

[Rogue52]

I don't buy Texas is in panic mode.

One of the devils of college sports (Scott or Delaney) would figure out a way to make LHN work with their conference.

 

[cyman05]

My random thoughts as I've searched the net

9 Things and 1 Crazy Prediction

Assuming only a doornail is deader than the Big 12, Texas is left with four options, with a desire for Pac-12 membership remaining at the top of the wish list. The other three are becoming an independent, knocking on the Big Ten's door, or convincing Oklahoma to stay and seek a blockbuster Big 12 merger with the ACC or Big East, for the country's first super-conference.

I wonder why this option isn't generating more discussion? I'm sure its highly improbable, but its interesting that this isn't a random unknown throwing it out there, but Kirk Bohls...

Suddenly, the Longhorn Network could be one of the best things that ever happened to the University of Houston | SportsJustice | a Chron.com blog

• Tim Brando said this morning he believes the Pac 12 will take Texas Tech whether Texas comes along or not. This news would be met joyously in Lubbock.
• Does Texas Tech have power? I heard from Tech folks last night who were furious that Texas was blocking it from going to the Pac 12. They believe Texas will prop up the Big 12 by adding BYU, Air Force and Houston to keep its TV network going. Tech fans don’t like this alternative because there’s great risk. If the Big 12 collapses, the worst thing that can happen to Texas is to go independent. Texas Tech could be left without attractive (read BCS options) if the Pac 12 slots are taken by then.

Ha! Texas Tech to the Pac 12 without Texas? I'll believe that when I see it Tim Brando.

It's the Big 12 vs. the world: Are things about to get messy? | Tale of the Tait | KUsports.com

One source familiar with the goings on from last summer told me a few weeks ago that KU actually was in good shape with the Pac-12 last summer and, had things fallen apart then, would've been more than welcomed to join OU, Texas and the rest of the defectors out west.

I've seen too much smoke out there about KU possible replacing OSU or Tech for the PAC in the past not to believe that KU isn't going to land on its feet somewhere.


College Confidential: LHN could become part of a Pac-16 move if Texas chooses that option

If the Big 12 implodes, based on Texas A&M’s anticipated move to the SEC and the possible advent of a Pac-16, there has been speculation about the Big East seeking to bring in the five remaining Big 12 schools (Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State) as part of an expanded football league in 2012. TCU will join the Big East next season.

This Fort Worth Paper isn't afraid to mention all 5 leftovers going to the Big East as speculation. If I'm the Big East, why stop at 12? You're going to lose at least 1 team in the near future (either WV directly, or another school who the ACC will take after losing 1 to the SEC). The odds are the Big East will lose multiples at some point.

Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri stung by Oklahoma's interest in Pac-12 - College Football -MCT - Macon.com

A source close to the Big 12 told The Kansas City Star, that the conference could survive multiple losses. The remaining schools - even if it was down to Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor - could form the core of a conference that would add expansion targets. "Absolutely" that is a possibility that has been discussed by the Big 12, the source said.

That's a VERY interesting quote from Mr. Kirkoff at the KC Star...

Silent Texas still holds the key to the Big 12 - College Football -MCT - Macon.com

The school credited with saving the conference last season let others publicly set the agenda. From Oklahoma State to Missouri to Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott at Cowboys Stadium, they were more than willing to oblige as all signs started pointing west. Still, the final fate of the Big 12 may lie with Texas, president William Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds, a high-ranking Big 12 school source said Saturday night.


"It's all up to DeLoss," the source said.

I totally agree with this statement. No way OU forces Texas' hand. Texas will do what it wants. If Texas ends up in the Pac16 and folds the Horn network as we know it, it's because that's what they chose to do.

From the DMN...Texas Legislature could act if Pac-12 courtship puts Big 12 at risk - College Football -MCT - Macon.com

Legislative leaders have been closely monitoring the situation, and some have been talking to Texas officials about their concerns over what might happen if the four schools Longhorns and Texas Tech bolt the Big 12, along with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.
Some lawmakers said Boren's comments caught their attention and sparked worries that the Big 12 may be in serious trouble.
"A number of legislators don't think it would be in the best interest of Texas to have no major conference in the Southwest," said one lawmaker, who asked to remain anonymous.
"There is a growing sentiment that Texas schools leaving for the Pac-12 doesn't seem to be a good idea right now."
"Lt. Gov. Dewhurst's primary focus is to ensure the best possible outcome for all Texas universities," Mike Walz, a spokesman for Dewhurst, said Sunday.
But a source in the Senate emphasized legislative leaders right now are not trying to tell UT or Texas Tech what to do other than to make sure whatever they do "is in the best interests" of their universities and students.
"This could be one crazy week," a Big 12 school source said Sunday.

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Perhaps the last line says it best. This could be one crazy week. We'll find out who really has the power in college football. It is some mix between ESPN/University Presidents/Politicians/Those with the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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[IcSyU]

@590thefanKFNS: The New York Post reports that the Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri."

That would suck. A lot.

 

[Rogue52]

It'd be pretty funny if the Forgotten Five were enough to keep the conference bylaws in place, keep a bunch of forfeited revenue, keep the current television contracts (although it appears those can be voided), keep AQ status, and invite a bunch of mid-majors to join.

 

[cycfan1]

It'd be pretty funny if the Forgotten Five were enough to keep the conference bylaws in place, keep a bunch of forfeited revenue, keep the current television contracts (although it appears those can be voided), keep AQ status, and invite a bunch of mid-majors to join.

How many schools needed to keep AQ? Wouldn't it be awesome to be in a league of 5, with winner to BCS? Missouri would go to the NC every year.

 

[Rogue52]

How many schools needed to keep AQ? Wouldn't it be awesome to be in a league of 5, with winner to BCS? Missouri would go to the NC every year.

Seems like someone suggested in this thread the number was 6.

 

[Cydwinder]

It'd be pretty funny if the Forgotten Five were enough to keep the conference bylaws in place, keep a bunch of forfeited revenue, keep the current television contracts (although it appears those can be voided), keep AQ status, and invite a bunch of mid-majors to join.

I'd rather take teams from the BE than a mid-major.

 

[HoopsTournament]

My random thoughts as I've searched the net

9 Things and 1 Crazy Prediction



I wonder why this option isn't generating more discussion? I'm sure its highly improbable, but its interesting that this isn't a random unknown throwing it out there, but Kirk Bohls...

Suddenly, the Longhorn Network could be one of the best things that ever happened to the University of Houston | SportsJustice | a Chron.com blog


Ha! Texas Tech to the Pac 12 without Texas? I'll believe that when I see it Tim Brando.

It's the Big 12 vs. the world: Are things about to get messy? | Tale of the Tait | KUsports.com


I've seen too much smoke out there about KU possible replacing OSU or Tech for the PAC in the past not to believe that KU isn't going to land on its feet somewhere.


College Confidential: LHN could become part of a Pac-16 move if Texas chooses that option

This Fort Worth Paper isn't afraid to mention all 5 leftovers going to the Big East as speculation. If I'm the Big East, why stop at 12? You're going to lose at least 1 team in the near future (either WV directly, or another school who the ACC will take after losing 1 to the SEC). The odds are the Big East will lose multiples at some point.

Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri stung by Oklahoma's interest in Pac-12 - College Football -MCT - Macon.com


That's a VERY interesting quote from Mr. Kirkoff at the KC Star...

Silent Texas still holds the key to the Big 12 - College Football -MCT - Macon.com


I totally agree with this statement. No way OU forces Texas' hand. Texas will do what it wants. If Texas ends up in the Pac16 and folds the Horn network as we know it, it's because that's what they chose to do.

From the DMN...Texas Legislature could act if Pac-12 courtship puts Big 12 at risk - College Football -MCT - Macon.com


Perhaps the last line says it best. This could be one crazy week. We'll find out who really has the power in college football. It is some mix between ESPN/University Presidents/Politicians/Those with the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I would not be shocked if Texas and the forgotten five stuck together at this point and started adding Some other schools. I think it is very unlikely because you would have the PAC 16 #16 team and SEC #14 team still hanging out there, but at this point nothing would shock me.

 

[Cydwinder]

I would not be shocked if Texas and the forgotten five stuck together at this point and started adding Some other schools. I think it is very unlikely because you would have the PAC 16 #16 team and SEC #14 team still hanging out there, but at this point nothing would shock me.

Boise to PAC as #16 and ACC school to SEC as #14 would be the best situation to keep the forgotten five and Texas together there.

 

[HoopsTournament]

@590thefanKFNS: The New York Post reports that the Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri."

That would suck. A lot.

I think the NYP is making assumptions from other sources. Saying multiple Big XII teams have been contacted and everyone thinks that most logical would be KU,kSU and MU.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Boise to PAC as #16 and ACC school to SEC as #14 would be the best situation to keep the forgotten five and Texas together there.

In other words, if this happens, MWC is screwed.

 

[cyman05]

I would not be shocked if Texas and the forgotten five stuck together at this point and started adding Some other schools. I think it is very unlikely because you would have the PAC 16 #16 team and SEC #14 team still hanging out there, but at this point nothing would shock me.

That's very true. Unless you're part of the PAC, the BiG, or the SEC, nobody is safe. Then once the big boys undergo changes, the smaller conferences will change too.

Nobody knows what will happen, or even after something happens how long things will stay that way for. Who's to say that four 16 team conferences don't become 2 32 team conferences 10 years from now to more closely align with the pro-sports model?

 

[HoopsTournament]

Seems like someone suggested in this thread the number was 6.

Big east kept BCS status with only 5 of the same members, but the conference would have to get back to 8 schools.