*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[jbhtexas]

Chip Brown is now reporting that Texas is exploring the possibility of joining the ACC with some remaining Big 12 schools.​

That would probably end the Red River shootout. There is no way that UT is going to play non-con games against both A&M and OU every year. That makes it too difficult to win a national championship. The in-state pressure will be to keep the TAMU game. Either way, one of OU or TAMU is going to lose the UT game.

Stoops has spent a lot of time building his program on Texas kids. It would be interesting to see if he can keep up his recruiting lines (not only in number but in quality) playing in a different conference than UT, especially with increased SEC presence in the state via TAMU.

 

[CrossCyed]

Anyone who wants that new football building to be built - I'd probably root for the Big 12 to stay together and maintain that TV contract. Cause guess where some of that money is coming from to build it? It'd be sad if we have to hold off on that.

 

[dxmonger]

A friend of mine in the athletic department said that the best hope is the continuation of the Big 12.

Big East = less money == many bad things.

Hope for Big 12 (or dream about a Big 10 rescue in a move to superconference status).


Threaten antitrust lawsuit if ISU falls into sub-BCS territory (ie MAC, MWC, CUSA).

Folks, unfortunately, it's all about the $$$ and we have to keep up. No choice here.

 

[acgclone]

That would probably end the Red River shootout. There is no way that UT is going to play non-con games against both A&M and OU every year. That makes it too difficult to win a national championship. The in-state pressure will be to keep the TAMU game. Either way, one of OU or TAMU is going to lose the UT game.

Stoops has spent a lot of time building his program on Texas kids. It would be interesting to see if he can keep up his recruiting lines (not only in number but in quality) playing in a different conference than UT, especially with increased SEC presence in the state via TAMU.

I think UT would make the case that it's more important to keep the RR Shootout than the A&M game. The RR Shootout actually brings a lot of net money to the state.

 

[agcy68]

Do you think CFH tapped into the East Coast pipeline with insight in joining the Big East?

 

[Tre4ISU]

A friend of mine in the athletic department said that the best hope is the continuation of the Big 12.

Big East = less money == many bad things.

Hope for Big 12 (or dream about a Big 10 rescue in a move to superconference status).


Threaten antitrust lawsuit if ISU falls into sub-BCS territory (ie MAC, MWC, CUSA).

Folks, unfortunately, it's all about the $$$ and we have to keep up. No choice here.

We will make money in the Big East. It won't be as much but we will be able to function and besides that, from a competitive standpoint, we will be better off. I would prefer the B12 works out, but the Big East isn't the end of the world. It would give us an opportunity to do what WVU did and become a school that is wanted. It would certainly be a chance to show the B10 that we are competant and if they want to go to 16 in the future, we could be attractive.

 

[canker2323]

Do you think CFH tapped into the East Coast pipeline with insight in joining the Big East?

No. Fred and his staff have good connections/relationships out east.

 

[jbhtexas]

I think UT would make the case that it's more important to keep the RR Shootout than the A&M game. The RR Shootout actually brings a lot of net money to the state.

The RR Shootout would at that point also be opening up the state to another BCS conference for recruiting. That's not good for UT or A&M. Plus, it could be suggested that at this point, OU is hosing over UT more than A&M is. Don't overestimate the power of pettiness and pride in these decisions.

 

[acgclone]

We will make money in the Big East. It won't be as much but we will be able to function and besides that, from a competitive standpoint, we will be better off. I would prefer the B12 works out, but the Big East isn't the end of the world. It would give us an opportunity to do what WVU did and become a school that is wanted. It would certainly be a chance to show the B10 that we are competant and if they want to go to 16 in the future, we could be attractive.

I agree. Keeping up is relative to your conference competitors. We make good money in the B12, but everyone else besides Baylor makes more.

In the Big East, we would be right in the thick of things after maybe WVU and a couple of others.

I really don't think football attendance would drop much in the Big East, especially if we start being more competitive. I think if ISU was able to average 7 win seasons instead of 5 win seasons, even though it's against lesser competitors, that we would keep or increase our fan support.

 

[acgclone]

The RR Shootout would at that point also be opening up the state to another BCS conference for recruiting. That's not good for UT or A&M. Plus, it could be suggested that at this point, OU is hosing over UT more than A&M is. Don't overestimate the power of pettiness and pride in these decisions.

Texas has always and will always be a fertile recruiting ground for OU, regardless of conference affiliation. The pecking order in Texas will pretty much always be:

1a) UT
1b) OU
2) A&M
3-100) other schools

 

[cyatheart]

I just cannot see why the PAC 10 would take TT unless they had to. Academics not even close, it adds nothing really and without UT they don't have a "partner" like the rest of the PAC schools. Honestly it would make as much sense to add ISU than TT if Tech is going alone. Would be a new market, ISU much better school, and would make a pair for KU. TT to the PAC without Texas just makes no sense at all.

 

[dxmonger]

We will make money in the Big East. It won't be as much but we will be able to function and besides that, from a competitive standpoint, we will be better off. I would prefer the B12 works out, but the Big East isn't the end of the world. It would give us an opportunity to do what WVU did and become a school that is wanted. It would certainly be a chance to show the B10 that we are competant and if they want to go to 16 in the future, we could be attractive.

The Big East isn't the end of the world. Conference USA is.

It takes serious $$$ to have a healthy, competitive program. Dropping down from what we have currently to a notch lower isn't just "oh well, we're the Cyclones... we're used to having less." We're not just talking about whether we bowl in the south endzone. We're talking about fewer tutors, assistant coaches, weight lifting equipment, ... etc. and with all of that, our ability to recruit slides downward in a major way. I don't know about you, but I don't know if I can stomach that.

I'm still holding out hope that Jamie and the other ADs pull a rabbit out of their hats and save the Big 12 with something amazing.

 

[acgclone]

I get the feeling that there is nothing set in stone here. I think there are an unlimited number of scenarios that could play out. I think many people think these things are big conspiracies that are planned out years in advance by the networks and AD's at the big schools, but in reality, I would guess it's a bunch of people calling one another and brain storming/spit balling different ideas and scenarios to see what is the best way to shake things out.

 

[Boomer]

Bobby Burton on 247sports is saying

Pac12 is weighing taking Kansas over Texas Tech. Tech is still in play but teams would prefer adding Kansas to strengthen bb.

 

[im4cyclones]

Anyone who wants that new football building to be built - I'd probably root for the Big 12 to stay together and maintain that TV contract. Cause guess where some of that money is coming from to build it? It'd be sad if we have to hold off on that.

I agree that the b12 is best for us financially but that is only the case if OU stays and we get some quality teams to join. If not, fox will reneg on their contract and we won't make considerably more when we renegotiate our 1st tier rights. So the money in a "saved" b12 may not be more than an expanded big east.

Plus, like I said, even if OU stayed, their fans would clamor for the PAC12 all year. Eventually their admin would have to listen, just like a&m. So we would be back here next year. And who knows what options we will have then.

I think the b12 as we know it is a ship that has sailed.

 

[State43]

If they pick up KU, who is the 4th then?

 

[gocubs2118]

Bobby Burton on 247sports is saying

Pac12 is weighing taking Kansas over Texas Tech. Tech is still in play but teams would prefer adding Kansas to strengthen bb.

This could potentially be good news for us unless the Big East wants Tech over us. Which I could see for a traveling buddy with TCU.

 

[Boomer]

If they pick up KU, who is the 4th then?

OU,OSU,Texas,Kansas

 

[im4cyclones]

We will make money in the Big East. It won't be as much but we will be able to function and besides that, from a competitive standpoint, we will be better off. I would prefer the B12 works out, but the Big East isn't the end of the world. It would give us an opportunity to do what WVU did and become a school that is wanted. It would certainly be a chance to show the B10 that we are competant and if they want to go to 16 in the future, we could be attractive.

Agreed. This is our best option. Even if the b12 is saved, the money won't be what we all thought it would be. I assume fox will renegotiate 2nd tier rights, and the windfall we thought we were getting will be gone.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The Big East isn't the end of the world. Conference USA is.

It takes serious $$$ to have a healthy, competitive program. Dropping down from what we have currently to a notch lower isn't just "oh well, we're the Cyclones... we're used to having less." We're not just talking about whether we bowl in the south endzone. We're talking about fewer tutors, assistant coaches, weight lifting equipment, ... etc. and with all of that, our ability to recruit slides downward in a major way. I don't know about you, but I don't know if I can stomach that.

I'm still holding out hope that Jamie and the other ADs pull a rabbit out of their hats and save the Big 12 with something amazing.

Yeah, I didn't say anything about C-USA. I talked about the Big East. IMO, if there isn't a B12, I bet we're there.