*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[CycloneErik]

Wouldn't it be stupid having MU, KU, KSU, ISU, NUB each in a different conference, with each being far away from each of its conference mates?

Yes. Isn't it stupid to see Texas and the aggies play in separate conferences?

I think this whole thing is ridiculous. I think the idea of a conference named "Pacific" reaching to Texas, Oklahoma, and/or Missouri is outlandish. The idea of Minnesota and North Carolina potentially occupying the same conference doesn't fit. The idea that Nebraska belongs in a conference filled with excellent academic institutions doesn't fit. The whole idea that only money matters doesn't fit with college athletics, but here we are again.

 

[cyatheart]

Wouldn't it be stupid having MU, KU, KSU, ISU, NUB each in a different conference, with each being far away from each of its conference mates?

It's getting insane. Tech, Texas, and A and M in different conferences potentially. Missouri flying to play games in South Carolina and Georgia instead of getting on a bus and going to Neb, ISU, KU?

This is crazy. This is going to destroy college sports eventually.

 

[HoopsTournament]

If we go to Big East, I wouldn't be surprised if we added a second BCS team to our non-con and rotate it between neighboring state schools. lot depends on how we do in conf. If we can have 8-9 win seasons, this would make sense.

 

[Judoka]

It's getting insane. Tech, Texas, and A and M in different conferences potentially. Missouri flying to play games in South Carolina and Georgia instead of getting on a bus and going to Neb, ISU, KU?

This is crazy. This is going to destroy college sports eventually.

Yep, especially since football is driving all this, but all the other sports are along for the ride. Travel isn't as horrible for the football team 5-6 Friday's a year, and the team already misses class on Friday's anyways. But the extra costs and time for every other sport is going to be just brutal in all these new conferences.

 

[LutherClone]

This could potentially be good news for us unless the Big East wants Tech over us. Which I could see for a traveling buddy with TCU.

Then there are three schools left for the final two spots:

Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas State

It would come down to making ISU/KSU a traveling partner and close regional rival for Marquette, DePaul and ND for basketball

OR

taking Baylor as a third Texas exposure and then either ISU or KSU for the final spot. I feel confident that we would fair favorably against KSU in a head to head comparison for the Big East.

 

[RackEm]

I do not believe this for a second. Dodds told Chipper this so the schlonghorns can try and save their precious network. My prediction? The next conference Texas goes to will be the next one destroyed.

BTW, ISU will get a windfall via lawsuits...

Hence why I said Texas trying to bully the Pac 16. Larry Scott will not take LHN as it is, so DOdds is throwing up crap to see if it sticks.

 

[CyCrazy]

Yes. Isn't it stupid to see Texas and the aggies play in separate conferences?

I think this whole thing is ridiculous. I think the idea of a conference named "Pacific" reaching to Texas, Oklahoma, and/or Missouri is outlandish. The idea of Minnesota and North Carolina potentially occupying the same conference doesn't fit. The idea that Nebraska belongs in a conference filled with excellent academic institutions doesn't fit. The whole idea that only money matters doesn't fit with college athletics, but here we are again.

Agreed, I am so sick of this **** it makes me wanna puke. Giving up natural rivalries for what? 1200 more tv sets? ******* stupid and I am tired of this game. I am diehard college sports fan over Pro but this is getting out of hand. At least the Pro's dont beat around the bush what they are doing. This will ruin college athletics in the end and I hope everyone involved has egg on there face when this eventually ends.

 

[RackEm]

Agreed, I am so sick of this **** it makes me wanna puke. Giving up natural rivalries for what? 1200 more tv sets? ******* stupid and I am tired of this game. I am diehard college sports fan over Pro but this is getting out of hand. At least the Pro's dont beat around the bush what they are doing. This will ruin college athletics in the end and I hope everyone involved has egg on there face when this eventually ends.

Can't blame anyone but Beebe for this mess.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Can't blame anyone but Beebe for this mess.

Beebe can only do what the Presidents (Board of Directors) allow him to do. I don't like the guy but the schools ******* other conferences is the problem here.

 

[MLawrence]

Can't blame anyone but Beebe for this mess.

Actually I blame capitalism.

 

[CycloneErik]

Can't blame anyone but Beebe for this mess.

Blaming Beebe makes as much sense as blaming myself or Cycrazy.

Beebe wasn't out there preying on other conferences to find more cash. That's Larry Scott, and to an extent, Jim Delaney.

Blaming Beebe for the loss of tradition, rivalries, and any pretense of innocence to college sports just makes no sense. He has played no role in that, except to work within the system as it's been established.

Beebe ain't perfect, but this mess isn't his fault. That's a failure in logic.

 

[CyCrazy]

Can't blame anyone but Beebe for this mess.

Beebe is a tool yes, but he only has so much control.

 

[CyCrazy]

Blaming Beebe makes as much sense as blaming myself or Cycrazy.

Beebe wasn't out there preying on other conferences to find more cash. That's Larry Scott, and to an extent, Jim Delaney.

Blaming Beebe for the loss of tradition, rivalries, and any pretense of innocence to college sports just makes no sense. He has played no role in that, except to work within the system as it's been established.

Beebe ain't perfect, but this mess isn't his fault. That's a failure in logic.

Bingo, but the Aggie has so much butthurt he cant see the forest through the trees.

 

[CycloneErik]

Bingo, but the Aggie has so much butthurt he cant see the forest through the trees.

You have to consider that aggies aren't very intelligent. That explains a lot of aggie-world.

I typed as slowly as I could, for his sake.

 

[RackEm]

Dan Beebe made it easier. Schools just got sick of him and Texas pushing its weight. Beebe also wasn't proactive in adding major programs until Aggy left. At some point, with now 6 schools minus Texas(out of the 12) looking to get or have gotten out of dodge, you can't say its a Pac 12 or SEC or Big Ten issue.

If Larry Scott was the Big 12 Commish over Dan Beebe, can you really say that this exact scenario would happen?

 

[CyCrazy]

You have to consider that aggies aren't very intelligent. That explains a lot of aggie-world.

I typed as slowly as I could, for his sake.

You just blew Aggie's mind. It will take him a few months to figure out how that is possible.

 

[SenorCy]

Dan Beebe made it easier. Schools just got sick of him and Texas pushing its weight. Beebe also wasn't proactive in adding major programs until Aggy left. At some point, with now 6 schools minus Texas(out of the 12) looking to get or have gotten out of dodge, you can't say its a Pac 12 or SEC or Big Ten issue.

If Larry Scott was the Big 12 Commish over Dan Beebe, can you really say that this exact scenario would happen?

Yes, except the Big XII would be destroying other conferences instead of the other way around.

 

[CycloneErik]

Dan Beebe made it easier. Schools just got sick of him and Texas pushing its weight. Beebe also wasn't proactive in adding major programs until Aggy left. At some point, with now 6 schools minus Texas(out of the 12) looking to get or have gotten out of dodge, you can't say its a Pac 12 or SEC or Big Ten issue.

If Larry Scott was the Big 12 Commish over Dan Beebe, can you really say that this exact scenario would happen?

Yes. He would be working under the same conference arrangement. That situation limits Beebe's range of options.

I'm not deciding either way on Beebe right now, but it should be pretty obvious that he isn't the one that blew this thing up. The double-dealers at Nebraska, Oklahoma, aggieland, and Texas took care of that. What was he really going to do while you all say one thing and do another time and time and time and time and time again?

Can't really "commish" a league that refuses any sort of unity or leadership. That problem stems from the "big 4" schools that declined a situation based on equality of membership.

Blame the fools in charge of your own institution on that one. You created the beast and couldn't handle what your own beast became. Nice job out of you.

 

[LutherClone]

This thread is running a train on CycloneFanatic.

 

[cyman05]

The latest (at least for a few minutes) regarding conference realignment | Tale of the Tait | KUsports.com

Wow...sounds like KU has the chance to leave KSU in the dust...wonder how that's going to go over in the Kansas legislature?...And OU completely cutting ties with Texas? That's a sharp contrast in everything I've heard from the last several years until about last Friday.




No link here but there are reports that have surfaced that say ESPN Radio has sources saying Texas turned down an offer from the Pac-12 and is now involved in preliminary discussions with the ACC.
For Texas, this thing is all about what the best option for The Longhorn Network will be. Much like the pipe dream rumors about Notre Dame joining the Big 12 because it would be allowed to keep its TV deal with NBC, the conference that offers up the best situation for TLN — which could include help from the conference office or regional networks — will probably land the Longhorns.
One recent report said the Sooners and Cowboys are prepared to make the move to the Pac-12, with or without Texas.
If Texas is talking ACC, or even Big 12, and the Sooners and Cowboys agree to go Pac-12, the time could be right for KU and Mizzou to jump in as the third and fourth teams in the deal. There won’t be time to waste, though. If KU and/or Missouri so much as hesitates for a second if an offer is extended, the offer could be pulled off the table.



If you're Kansas, and all of this is true, this whole thing boils down to a couple of simple questions.

1. Do you jump at the chance at stability in the Pac-12, regardless of what that does to travel, recruiting, etc.?
2. Do you wait out Texas and hope the Longhorns can once again find a way to save the Big 12?
3. Do you shun the west coast and head to the Big East where a "western division" would make life easier in terms of travel and you would be able to remain with both of your biggest rivals in K-State and Missouri?