*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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CloneAggie

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Of course it's all about $. What the teams voted for or against years ago doesn't change that nowadays they see they can get more $ by moving to conferences that have revenue sharing.

When it gets down to brass tax these are businesses. Don't be shocked that they are acting like them.
And businesses don't like taxes! Especially brass taxes. Chrome taxes are ok though. :wideeyed:

Think you mean "brass tacks".
 

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Do you have a link showing that Nebraska, Colorado and aTm will be receiving more money than they would in the Big 12?? I am not sure that is the case.

I'm not going to dig it up, but last year when all that UT to b10 talk was going on, the numbers being thrown out was that the B10 schools were all making more than any schools not named Texas.
 

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Instead of playing "chicken little" and wondering when the sky is going to fall. Why isn't the Big 12 out recruiting new teams to replace the losers that think another conference is going to be better. Come on Beebe get BYU in the fold and then start inviting SMU, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF, Tulsa, North Texas. The above mentioned universities don't measure up to the schools that have left but a full conference is better than no conference at all. Lets be proactive instead of a victim.
 

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The lack of any official response by the forgotten five has got me thinking. RebeccaCy's thread from a few days ago implied some of this too. Conjecture of course; I have no inside knowledge. If the OU/OSU, UT/TT exit happens the forgotten five do not go to the Big East. The Big East teams interested in moving up join us in the B12. We keep the exit fees, TV contracts stay in place (or modified, at least they are not completely scrapped), Bowl Alliances and BCS remain intact. People have been throwing names of teams out there Houston, Pitt, Cinci, Louisville, and Memphis, etc. Instead of having B12 North/South we will now have a B12 with an East/West. Just a thought.


I can't imagine the Bowl Alliances stay intact, at least not past their current agreements. I would doubt that the Fiesta Bowl gets excited about the new top dogs in the new BigXII - Missouri (if they stayed), Pitt, K-State. Hell, even ISU is a contender. At least we'd travel well.

I also can't imagine the Cotton Bowl has interest with zero TX or OK teams.
Edit: Oops, forgot about Baylor. See how easy that is?
Edit^2: Oh, and possibly Houston.
 
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I'm not going to dig it up, but last year when all that UT to b10 talk was going on, the numbers being thrown out was that the B10 schools were all making more than any schools not named Texas.

That would have been prior to the recent over $1 billion deal that was just done though wouldn't it??

I believe that means that we would be getting around $20 million or so per year. Which was much more than previously. Which is what Big Ten teams were supposedly getting. And you add kNU into the mix and they might not get quite as much. Same thing goes for the SEC.
 

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The lack of any official response by the forgotten five has got me thinking. RebeccaCy's thread from a few days ago implied some of this too. Conjecture of course; I have no inside knowledge. If the OU/OSU, UT/TT exit happens the forgotten five do not go to the Big East. The Big East teams interested in moving up join us in the B12. We keep the exit fees, TV contracts stay in place (or modified, at least they are not completely scrapped), Bowl Alliances and BCS remain intact. People have been throwing names of teams out there Houston, Pitt, Cinci, Louisville, and Memphis, etc. Instead of having B12 North/South we will now have a B12 with an East/West. Just a thought.

Rickybaby,
This thought could be very close to reality. It would be a hard sell for MIZZOU fans who seem to think they are destined to enter the SEC as the next Alabama.

We could possibly use the exit fees to help attract teams...

I'm thinking the faithful five +

Cincy
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Houston
TCU
and throw in BYU for 10

or ADD AF and NM or Pitt for 12

That conference would be attractive to TV networks

Pitt, Mizzou and BYU may be long shots

I think KU would like it for hoops

A full merger of the two conferences ia also intrigueing but I think people are assuming PITT and WV will be gonzo to other conferences.

Let's just get this over with
 

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I would love a new Big12, but we are being led by Dan Beebe. So, not buying it. If they bring in someone else who is a heavy hitter it could work, but the leadership would need to be legit. Texas would not be able to be a part of it.
 

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Instead of playing "chicken little" and wondering when the sky is going to fall. Why isn't the Big 12 out recruiting new teams to replace the losers that think another conference is going to be better.

How do you know the Big 12 isn't recruiting new teams? A sportswriter tweeted last night that such talks were going on.
 

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I'm not going to dig it up, but last year when all that UT to b10 talk was going on, the numbers being thrown out was that the B10 schools were all making more than any schools not named Texas.

Did the Pac-12 upstage the Big 12's TV deal? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Pac ?? gets around $250 million for Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights or about $20 million per team.

Big 12 gets $90 million for Tier 2 rights divided by 10 teams. Or $9 million /team /year They get $60 million per year for Tier 1 rights and this contract is up in 4 years where they could possibly get a 350% increase like they did for Tier 2.

If that comes true then the Big 12 would be dividing up $360 million annually for the 10 to 12 teams in the conference. And that does not include Tier 3 rights.

That would mean $30 million to $36 million per year per team. NO WAY does the conference dissolve. Texas will stay put and we will be able to add the teams we need. I really don't even see OU and OSU leaving. It makes no sense. Texas A&M made a foolish move IMO. And it had more to do with their ego than sense.
 

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Did the Pac-12 upstage the Big 12's TV deal? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Pac ?? gets around $250 million for Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights or about $20 million per team.

Big 12 gets $90 million for Tier 2 rights divided by 10 teams. Or $9 million /team /year They get $60 million per year for Tier 1 rights and this contract is up in 4 years where they could possibly get a 350% increase like they did for Tier 2.

If that comes true then the Big 12 would be dividing up $360 million annually for the 10 to 12 teams in the conference. And that does not include Tier 3 rights.

That would mean $30 million to $36 million per year per team. NO WAY does the conference dissolve. Texas will stay put and we will be able to add the teams we need. I really don't even see OU and OSU leaving. It makes no sense. Texas A&M made a foolish move IMO. And it had more to do with their ego than sense.

I hope you are right and this is just a game of chicken between OU and UT.
 

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So we are closing in on 11k posts here and aTm hasn't even wrapped up their exit from the conference.....
 

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Instead of playing "chicken little" and wondering when the sky is going to fall. Why isn't the Big 12 out recruiting new teams to replace the losers that think another conference is going to be better. Come on Beebe get BYU in the fold and then start inviting SMU, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF, Tulsa, North Texas. The above mentioned universities don't measure up to the schools that have left but a full conference is better than no conference at all. Lets be proactive instead of a victim.

Well..if the Big12 goes around recruiting schools that are already in conferences...how is that different than the SEC recruiting A&M? We could be liable for damages. Recruiting independents is ok though but I'm sure there are some back alley type meetings going on.
 

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Did the Pac-12 upstage the Big 12's TV deal? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Pac ?? gets around $250 million for Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights or about $20 million per team.

Big 12 gets $90 million for Tier 2 rights divided by 10 teams. Or $9 million /team /year They get $60 million per year for Tier 1 rights and this contract is up in 4 years where they could possibly get a 350% increase like they did for Tier 2.

If that comes true then the Big 12 would be dividing up $360 million annually for the 10 to 12 teams in the conference. And that does not include Tier 3 rights.

That would mean $30 million to $36 million per year per team. NO WAY does the conference dissolve. Texas will stay put and we will be able to add the teams we need. I really don't even see OU and OSU leaving. It makes no sense. Texas A&M made a foolish move IMO. And it had more to do with their ego than sense.

Stop making good points. Didn't you read the paper this morning? THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
 

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Did the Pac-12 upstage the Big 12's TV deal? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Pac ?? gets around $250 million for Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights or about $20 million per team.

Big 12 gets $90 million for Tier 2 rights divided by 10 teams. Or $9 million /team /year They get $60 million per year for Tier 1 rights and this contract is up in 4 years where they could possibly get a 350% increase like they did for Tier 2.

If that comes true then the Big 12 would be dividing up $360 million annually for the 10 to 12 teams in the conference. And that does not include Tier 3 rights.

That would mean $30 million to $36 million per year per team. NO WAY does the conference dissolve. Texas will stay put and we will be able to add the teams we need. I really don't even see OU and OSU leaving. It makes no sense. Texas A&M made a foolish move IMO. And it had more to do with their ego than sense.

Glad A&M is gone. I'd like to see the conference stay at nine teams (ISU plays 8 conference games and 4 non conference). Maybe the conference could look to add teams in when Tier 1 rights are up. JMHO.
 

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Did the Pac-12 upstage the Big 12's TV deal? - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Pac ?? gets around $250 million for Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights or about $20 million per team.

Big 12 gets $90 million for Tier 2 rights divided by 10 teams. Or $9 million /team /year They get $60 million per year for Tier 1 rights and this contract is up in 4 years where they could possibly get a 350% increase like they did for Tier 2.

If that comes true then the Big 12 would be dividing up $360 million annually for the 10 to 12 teams in the conference. And that does not include Tier 3 rights.

That would mean $30 million to $36 million per year per team. NO WAY does the conference dissolve. Texas will stay put and we will be able to add the teams we need. I really don't even see OU and OSU leaving. It makes no sense. Texas A&M made a foolish move IMO. And it had more to do with their ego than sense.


Don't think we would see that for an increase. Our tier twos were way too low to start with. If we can even up with PAC deal. That is 250 split 10 and not 12 or 14. Then if we can get some tier three money we are over big ten and sec.
 
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