*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Wesley

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I don't mind unequal revenue sharing but the disparity is so big between schools like TX and ourselves. Can't we have more of a hybrid form? That way teams are still rewarded on performance and makes the conference more stable.
A lot of the disparity is 50k in fans versus 100k in fans. That is also why Iowa has more money if they have 75k in attendance.
 

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I can't wait till we beat the **** out of Mizzou this year at their house...it's gonna happen. Those **** sticks on the Tiger Board talk like they're a FB powerhouse. I understand they've had some relative success in the last few years, but the last thing they should be hoping for is to be the northern most outpost in the SEC....they'll wish they had Vandy's success if that happens!!!

In one thread, they have us relegated to nothing and Baylor going with Texas to the ACC...what a bunch of complete *** hats!!!!

Got that off my chest. Let's get this beatdown of UCONN going!
 

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Thought this was interesting. I think most people agree that the lawsuit stuff is only going to result in a few extra million for schools that get left out of the party. I bet Ken Starr knows that. I think he's making the smart move back trying to appeal to a few of the people who actually have the power to step in and do something...straight to DC yesterday afternoon to talk to lawmakers.<br> <br>
Liked the line too about Iowa State being included with Texas, A&amp;M, Mizzou, and Kansas as one of the cash-generating schools and not one of the conferences' "smaller schools."<br> <br> <a onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outgoing/http_www_politico_com_politicoinfluence_0911_politicoinfluence100_html');" href="http://www.politico.com/politicoinfluence/0911/politicoinfluence100.html" target="_blank">Breaking: Ken Starr returns to Hill - Dodd makes mark on MPAA - Without scandal, lobby reform stalls - Audit report hits plumbers union - NRG promotes solar at FedEx Field - POLITICO Influence - POLITICO.com</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <b>BREAKING … KEN STARR RETURNS TO HILL:</b> President Bill Clinton's nemesis, Kenneth Starr now president of Baylor University in Waco, Texas, is on Capitol Hill today lobbying more than two dozen members of Congress about the preservation of college sports’ floundering Big 12 athletic conference, among other education issues.<br> <br> <br>
A lobbyist familiar with Starr’s visit, which began Wednesday and ends today, tells PI that the push is about Starr <b>“really trying to convey that you have to have the student athletes’ interests at heart first before chasing after the biggest contractual agreements†with television networks</b>. Baylor could stand to lose significant money if the Big 12 broke up, with its marquee, cash-generating schools - Texas, Texas A&amp;M, Kansas, Missouri, and <b>Iowa State</b> among others — scattering elsewhere. The quality and profile of competition for the conference’s smaller schools would also likely suffer with a Big 12 breakup.<br> <br> <br>
Among the lawmakers Starr personally met with were many members of the Texas congressional delegation, as well as Reps. <b>Virginia Foxx </b>(R-N.C.), <b>Jack Kingston</b> (R-Ga.) and <b>Kevin Yoder</b> (R-Kan.).







IMO, this pretty much confirms to me that we have a secure place to land.
 

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I can't wait till we beat the **** out of Mizzou this year at their house...it's gonna happen. Those **** sticks on the Tiger Board talk like they're a FB powerhouse. I understand they've had some relative success in the last few years, but the last thing they should be hoping for is to be the northern most outpost in the SEC....they'll wish they had Vandy's success if that happens!!!

In one thread, they have us relegated to nothing and Baylor going with Texas to the ACC...what a bunch of complete *** hats!!!!

Got that off my chest. Let's get this beatdown of UCONN going!

Makes me sick to think I use to be one of them, but I repented and found the one TRUE team.
 

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I can't wait till we beat the **** out of Mizzou this year at their house...it's gonna happen. Those **** sticks on the Tiger Board talk like they're a FB powerhouse. I understand they've had some relative success in the last few years, but the last thing they should be hoping for is to be the northern most outpost in the SEC....they'll wish they had Vandy's success if that happens!!!

In one thread, they have us relegated to nothing and Baylor going with Texas to the ACC...what a bunch of complete *** hats!!!!

Got that off my chest. Let's get this beatdown of UCONN going!

Agree on get UCONN first, but it would be a great year to beat all of the teams that we can like Missouri, Kansas, Kstate, Tech, Baylor, Texas and jump up and get a couple on the seemingly much better than we are category A&M. OkieState, OU.

Would be the best year in the school's football history, and why not now, why not this year!

go cylcones
 

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I emailed Blair Kerkoff from the KC Star last night to say thanks for writing this article

Worthiness question of Big 12 programs insulting - KansasCity.com

Here was his response to me today...I love the last sentence!!!:

Thanks for the note and the kind words. What prompted that column was an ESPN radio analyst last weekend say something about IowaState, Baylor and K-State being out of luck because of their location. I about punched a hole in the radio.

Blair Kerkhoff
 

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I emailed Blair Kerkoff from the KC Star last night to say thanks for writing this article

Worthiness question of Big 12 programs insulting - KansasCity.com

Here was his response to me today...I love the last sentence!!!:

Thanks for the note and the kind words. What prompted that column was an ESPN radio analyst last weekend say something about IowaState, Baylor and K-State being out of luck because of their location. I about punched a hole in the radio.

Blair Kerkhoff


Love this guy and love his e-mail to you. Thanks for sharing!

However, this begs the question...why in the sam hell have we not seen a similar article in the Des Moines Register? The Rag is pathetic!
 

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You want to know how ridiculous college football has gotten....

Read this!

In March, news broke that UConn lost $1.8 million by attending the Fiesta Bowl. The losses were mostly due to the fact that the bowl forced the school to accept 17,500 tickets as a condition of playing in the game, which the school had no chance of reselling thanks to secondary markets like StubHub.
If that's not bad enough, even Auburn, a football-crazy SEC school who won last year's national championship, ended up losing $600,000.
Meanwhile, the UConn basketball programs both reached the Final Four, and as a reward for their performances, the programs earned about $1.7 million.
Here is a fact: college football generates billions of dollars every year through ticket revenue, sponsorships, advertisements and TV contracts. The amount of money flowing through college football is staggering, and the fact that football programs are actually losing money by going to the postseason while college basketball programs make money is outrageous.
None of these facts were new to Herbst either, and her response to the losses was that money isn't the only thing that drives the athletics or the university as a whole. She pointed out the women's basketball program and the English department in particular as programs that lose money but are valuable to the school.
"I think about the value that you get that has nothing to do with money," Herbst said. "Most of our departments do not generate revenue, and some departments really don't, but we do those things because they are incredibly important for our students and for the state of Connecticut."
I think everyone would agree that the women's basketball program and the English department are good for the school, because they actually contribute something to the student body. The women's basketball program is a source of pride and it casts the university in a positive light. The English department educates students and prepares its students for a career after college.
But what does the BCS contribute?
Most of the money UConn lost by going to the Fiesta Bowl went straight to the suits who run the bowl. To people like John Junker, the former CEO of the Fiesta Bowl who made millions and lived a lavish lifestyle just to put on one exhibition football game every year.
That is, until he got fired in March, after he was found to have used Fiesta Bowl money to reimburse $46,539 worth of political campaign contributions, on top of the $4.85 million he spent over 10 years on "excessive and unauthorized expenses."
What kinds of expenses? A $33,000 50th birthday party, a club membership to four different elite golf clubs and a $1,200 strip club romp with two of his friends.
Personally, I'm a lot more comfortable with the idea that UConn is losing money by directly investing in its students than I am with the idea that it's indirectly investing in some millionaire's trip to the strip club.
 

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I emailed Blair Kerkoff from the KC Star last night to say thanks for writing this article

Worthiness question of Big 12 programs insulting - KansasCity.com

Here was his response to me today...I love the last sentence!!!:

Thanks for the note and the kind words. What prompted that column was an ESPN radio analyst last weekend say something about IowaState, Baylor and K-State being out of luck because of their location. I about punched a hole in the radio.

Blair Kerkhoff


Blair has always been fair....rare these days.
 

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bump...

and also, from the article:

Syracuse Athletic Director Daryl Gross, when reached on his cellphone in Los Angeles, where the Orange will play Southern California on Saturday, said: “I can’t comment on that. Maybe that’s even too much to say.â€￾

If this happens then I feel more confident that the remaining big 12 teams and big east teams would just combine into some kind of conference....probaby keeping the big 12 name so that the exit penalties can be kept. It would be a weaker conference, but I am sure it would still be a BCS conference.
 

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Pitt and Syracuse talking to the ACC. Maybe we won't be going to the Big East...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/sports/ncaafootball/syracuse-and-pitt-in-talks-with-acc.html?_r=2

Hate to even think about realignment stuff after a huge win, but that story is too big not to think about.

Just think about the ramifications of this if it happened...if Pitt and Syracuse went to the ACC you'd assume that nobody would be leaving the 16 team ACC for the Big 10. That would only leave Rutgers, ISU, KU, and Mizzou (plus ND who isn't actually AAU) as possible AAU Big 10 expansion candidates if the Big 10 ever did go to 16...
 

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Hate to even think about realignment stuff after a huge win, but that story is too big not to think about.

Just think about the ramifications of this if it happened...if Pitt and Syracuse went to the ACC you'd assume that nobody would be leaving the 16 team ACC for the Big 10. That would only leave Rutgers, ISU, KU, and Mizzou (plus ND who isn't actually AAU) as possible AAU Big 10 expansion candidates if the Big 10 ever did go to 16...

Interesting point, I don't see why the B10 has to expand though even is someone does go to 16.
 

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Interesting point, I don't see why the B10 has to expand though even is someone does go to 16.

Yeah. I think Big 10 stands pat at 12 no matter what until 2015. Then they go to 16 if they see the superconference thing is going okay for other schools.
 
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