Tonight's Baylor attendance. Baylor Bold! Why again are they in a major conference...oh yeah, politics.
Not sure that's fair. They had a delay, because of lightning and then the game was canceled after the third quarter.
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Not sure that's fair. They had a delay, because of lightning and then the game was canceled after the third quarter.
Maybe true...but their 40,000 average attendance is usually propped up like I said by 10,000-15,000 A&M/UT/OU/Texas Tech fans. I doubt Stephen F. Austin brings a huge crowd.
Not sure if this was posted. I saw something earlier, but it looked like it might be a work in progress. This article is pretty comprehensive and will be in the newspaper tomorrow.
If Syracuse and Pitt exit, things get interesting
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/s...for-syracuse-and-pittsburgh.html?pagewanted=1
One or more things in it I trust are more accurate on this board, but some things there were news to me. They cover much more than just the Big East.
If anyone has trouble accessing the article, because you are over the 20 free a month limit, Google the title and access it that way.
If Syracuse and Pitt exit, things get interesting
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/s...for-syracuse-and-pittsburgh.html?pagewanted=1
One or more things in it I trust are more accurate on this board, but some things there were news to me. They cover much more than just the Big East.
If anyone has trouble accessing the article, because you are over the 20 free a month limit, Google the title and access it that way.
Everyone is scrambling for seats in the conference musical chairs before the music stops. ACC making the current moves. How stable is Big East as a football conference now, with West Virginia and maybe Rutgers being targeted by other conferences? Realignment is moving fast now...
You know..this is the first time I've done this, but if you assume 4 conferences go to 16, but that the ACC and B10 want to keep their reputations on the academic side in check then it would appear there aren't enough teams to satisfy 4 conferences of 16 that would be the conferences criteria.
PAC is easy with adding UT/Tech/OU/OSU
SEC adds A&M/WVU...who else?? I don't see Mizzou going here and if they did who the heck would be #16???)
ACC adds Cuse/Pitt maybe Rutgers/UConn???
B10 is now left with KU/ISU/ND and maybe Mizzou...but then the SEC would need 2 more to get to 16.
Others in consideration would be USF, Cincy, Louisville, TCU, Baylor, KSU, BYU
Really are slim pickings it would appear.
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PAC is easy with adding UT/Tech/OU/OSU
SEC adds A&M/WVU...who else?? I don't see Mizzou going here and if they did who the heck would be #16???)
ACC adds Cuse/Pitt maybe Rutgers/UConn???
B10 is now left with KU/ISU/ND and maybe Mizzou...but then the SEC would need 2 more to get to 16.
Others in consideration would be USF, Cincy, Louisville, TCU, Baylor, KSU, BYU
Really are slim pickings it would appear.
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And the other 3 conferences say, well we'll do our playoff for a national championship without you then and we'll all make more money and relegate you to the equivalent of D2.
Look, this is all hypothetical, You said there's NO WAY we could EVER go to the BIG10 and I'm saying there are scenarios that "could" play out that would result in ISU getting into the BIG where the big10 reluctantly was forced into picking up 16 teams and in that event, we would be one of the most attractive schools left.
NO im saying I don't think there is anyway the Big 10 is going to make anyone tell them who they have to take and if they have to expand. I hope ISU is in the Big 10 if the Big 12 disbands but I just don't see the Big 10 being pressured into taking anyone
I don't get it ... that article offers nothing new and what we have been discussing all evening .... ever since it became clear it is almost certain that Pitt and Syracuse are joining the ACC. And it doesn't include anything about us either. Yeah, it comes from the NY Times but it nothing we already didn't know.
I like the way you're thinking, but I think academic considerations went out the window long ago. The Big 10 is really the only conference with any academic considerations.
Evidence of that is how often Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and Texas Tech's name to the Pac have been thrown out there with 2 of them receiving offers last summer.
To get 16 teams.
Pac 12 adds OU,OSU,TT and Texas
SEC adds A&M, WVU, MU and I say USF but I think it would be TCU or BU simply because no state that has an SEC team will vote to allow another.
ACC adds Pitt, Cuse, UCONN and L'ville
Big 10 adds Rutgers, KU and the 2 from KSU,ISU and Cincy
IF USF doesn't go to SEC and ACC wants them they go there with L'Ville likely getting bumped out
Pac 12 adds OU,OSU,TT and Texas
SEC adds A&M, WVU, MU and I say USF but I think it would be TCU or BU simply because no state that has an SEC team will vote to allow another.
ACC adds Pitt, Cuse, UCONN and L'ville
Big 10 adds Rutgers, KU and the 2 from KSU,ISU and Cincy
IF USF doesn't go to SEC and ACC wants them they go there with L'Ville likely getting bumped out
Nothing new except for this:
But the Big East passed on a television contract that would have put it on the same financial plane as the A.C.C., and must now regret that decision. Big East officials are irate that Pitt led the charge (with Rutgers close behind) to reject that deal, meaning it jeopardized the league’s security in both the short term (by leaving) and in the long term (by helping shoot down a lucrative contract).
Grounds for a major lawsuit? I don't know, but I'd certainly sue if I was UConn or Cincinnati and left on the outside looking in.
That's fine. I didn't claim otherwise and there are thousands of posts here. It was news to me that Pitt and Syracuse completely blindsided the Big East. I realize now that this wasn't news to you, and that you were also aware that Pitt was an advocate of delaying the Big East TV deal without reading this article - thus doubly screwing the chances of survival for the conference.
But I would guess that this news to many other people here.
Right now the grounds for Baylor's suit is the 13 year contract the Big 12 just signed. It's in ink. A similar offer was on the table from ESPN very recently, but the Big East decided to roll the dice and wait until this last year of their contract was finally up in hope that more money comes in. How does it look to the other schools if you lead the charge to reject an offer then walk away from the table and leave your business partners high and dry? Is that grounds for a lawsuit? Guess we'll find out.
Remember that legal article that said the Big 12's contract may save the behind for the remaining schools for the next 13 years? That deal means a lot to the Big 12 right now and a similar deal would go a long way for the remaining Big East members.
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It is hard to understand how a few more million dollars (when most of these schools' budgets are in the tens of millions) could mean more than decades of tradition and loyalty. I mean, Texas already has an athletics budget of $150 million or so, right? So, what is another $6-8 million a year really going to do? I understand that it's a lot of money but it all is so petty.
If we can end up in a conference with KU/KSU/MU and at least preserve some historic and regional match ups and affiliation, I'd be OK. If that's the Big East, I'll swallow hard and move on. After today though, it appears that probably wouldn't be the case as they're falling apart even more than we are (if that's possible). What seems so wrong is to rip apart all of the original Big 8, Midwestern schools. Imagine OU/OSU/CU in the Pac...MU in the SEC...NU in the B1G...KU in the ACC? With something like KSU and us on the outside looking in. How can this all have happened in just a couple of years? This whole thing just makes me sick.
Honestly, who knows what's going to happen? I'd love to see us land in the B1G as it just feels even more like the Big XII is done with this ACC/BE news today. But, even with everything our wonderful university has to offer, there aren't people that aren't subscribed or tune into the B1G Network for us to be good enough. We have the academics, the fan support, the infrastructure, we're in the regional footprint, we're an AAU university, we have lots of connections (Jischke, Spanier, U of I), but apparently we're just not good enough. All of this while Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, with some pretty crappy academics, seem almost guaranteed to end up in a good spot.
If we can end up in a conference with KU/KSU/MU and at least preserve some historic and regional match ups and affiliation, I'd be OK. If that's the Big East, I'll swallow hard and move on. After today though, it appears that probably wouldn't be the case as they're falling apart even more than we are (if that's possible). What seems so wrong is to rip apart all of the original Big 8, Midwestern schools. Imagine OU/OSU/CU in the Pac...MU in the SEC...NU in the B1G...KU in the ACC? With something like KSU and us on the outside looking in. How can this all have happened in just a couple of years? This whole thing just makes me sick.
Honestly, who knows what's going to happen? I'd love to see us land in the B1G as it just feels even more like the Big XII is done with this ACC/BE news today. But, even with everything our wonderful university has to offer, there aren't people that aren't subscribed or tune into the B1G Network for us to be good enough. We have the academics, the fan support, the infrastructure, we're in the regional footprint, we're an AAU university, we have lots of connections (Jischke, Spanier, U of I), but apparently we're just not good enough. All of this while Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, with some pretty crappy academics, seem almost guaranteed to end up in a good spot.
I was originally responding to cyatheart who said the above that ISU would "NOT EVER" go to the Big10. And you are saying that there is no way the Big10 will take people they don't want. And I disagree with both. As I already said. If the PAC, SEC and ACC all have 16 and they approach the TV networks and say, we want a national championship and you guys to cover it and the networks all sign on. The Big10 can either decide they will not play for a national championship or they can go to 16 teams with two team that don't really add much but due to the added $$ from a national championship tourney don't cost you money either. Then it's a no brainer decision, you add 2 teams and you keep playing for national championships.
This situation is not probable, but it is definitely possible.
My point with the Big Ten is that they EITHER expand and include us OR they don't which increases the chanches of a Big East/Big 12 surviving.
Yeah, sorry ... didn't mean to sound so critical. And it was the NY Times so that carries a lot more weight.
Peace.
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