*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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TCU and Boise apparently could be the teams joining OU and OSU. There is an article on NBC Sports that is kind interesting as they break down what they think. If someone could post that ( i can't) it throws some interesting things out

TCU and Boise and not going to the Pac-12. I would stake everything I own on that statement. Boise's academics make K-State look Ivy League.
 

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TCU and Boise apparently could be the teams joining OU and OSU. There is an article on NBC Sports that is kind interesting as they break down what they think. If someone could post that ( i can't) it throws some interesting things out

If the PAC Presidents are bristling at adding OSU, I can't see they would want Boise. Too lazy to do research but don't remember them being too strong academically. Would Stanford, berkley, and the others want to be associated with Boise?
 
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If you take 4 to the PAC then it makes some level of sense. If you only take 2 then it will be a logistical nightmare for the non-revenue sports for OU/OSU. Not smart IMO.

In fact...Stupid.

While I think your heart is in a good place, I think you are failing to look at things logically. No once gives a crap about women's volleyball or mens soccer. Those sports will continue to generate no money yet be better off financially with the new money in the athletic departments generated by the superconferences. Eventually, I could see many of these activities (especially men's) becoming club sponsored sports.
 

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I don't get why the ACC is so willing to take Pitt and Syracuse? They are in big markets but do they really deliver them? In Pittsburgh I feel like the Steelers and the Penguins are the big attractions...

Everybody has to remember a big difference between being in a market, and delivering that market...
 

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Eventually, I could see many of these activities (especially men's) becoming club sponsored sports.

Which kills the whole idea of intercollegiate athletics being an avenue for kids to gain access to college.

Someone needs to step up and stop colleges from from taking the final step to just becoming a younger version of the NFL.
 

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1. Rutgers DOES NOT ADD New York or New Jersey TV sets. Just because they're there doesn't mean people give a **** there - as a New Yorker I can guarantee they don't. Rutgers does not have the power to get the BTN on basic tier any of New Jersey or New York's cable providers. If they did, it would have been Rutgers and not Nebraska joining the conference last year.

2. When did Rutgers become a national brand based on football? When they had their one 11-2 season completed by winning the Texas Bowl in 2006? That was the one and only year in the last decade they finished in the AP top 25. Some national football brand...

Disagree with point #1. Let's say Nebraska has 2 million people. How many watch Nebraska play on Saturday? 50% for 1 million?

Let's say the greater NYC market has 15 million people. How many watch Rutgers play? 10% for 1.5 million people? Does Rutgers "deliver" the NYC market? No. But all they have to do is get a fraction of it. With that many TV's in the NYC area, enough people will watch college football to make a huge dent in views.

Nationally though, Rutgers doesn't move the needle. But the massive size of their local market means all they have to do is deliver a fraction of it to be desirable.
 

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I don't get why the ACC is so willing to take Pitt and Syracuse? They are in big markets but do they really deliver them? In Pittsburgh I feel like the Steelers and the Penguins are the big attractions...

Everybody has to remember a big difference between being in a market, and delivering that market...

Because we're getting to the point where conferences can't be choosy. That opportunity was a year ago, and it passed. Now, in search of "stability," whatever that means, they're out to get the best fit they can (academics, geography, media market, etc.). There aren't many "home run" opportunities left, in the ACC's case they snapped up two of the best available candidates that meet their criteria.
 

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Disagree with point #1. Let's say Nebraska has 2 million people. How many watch Nebraska play on Saturday? 50% for 1 million?

Let's say the greater NYC market has 15 million people. How many watch Rutgers play? 10% for 1.5 million people? Does Rutgers "deliver" the NYC market? No. But all they have to do is get a fraction of it. With that many TV's in the NYC area, enough people will watch college football to make a huge dent in views.

Nationally though, Rutgers doesn't move the needle. But the massive size of their local market means all they have to do is deliver a fraction of it to be desirable.

Yeah but Nebraska has a much stronger national brand than Rutgers, so they WILL move the needle nationally. because even though they might only deliver 1 million from Nebraska, they will deliver many more nationally because of their brand. As much as I hate the bug eaters arguing that Rutgers is a bigger add than Nebraska is pretty silly. Also your 1.5 mil numbers seems VERY high. They probably deliver less than 1% of that market IMO. NY has a TON of pro sports teams, way to many to get a large following to the universities.
 

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Well, I guess its time for the dominoes to start falling. Hopefully this doesn't spook Oklahoma and Texas into making moves that we'll regret.
 

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I don't get why the ACC is so willing to take Pitt and Syracuse? They are in big markets but do they really deliver them? In Pittsburgh I feel like the Steelers and the Penguins are the big attractions...

Everybody has to remember a big difference between being in a market, and delivering that market...

You have to remember with the ACC that basketball actually makes up a very sizeable portion of their TV contract. This move isn't only a football move for them, but a basketball one too. The two are actually working together. How many people in Upstate New York or Pittsburg are watching basketball in Jan-March...quite a few when you consider the population they bring. Schools like Syracuse are basketball crazy...they average 20,000+ fans a game.
 

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Disagree with point #1. Let's say Nebraska has 2 million people. How many watch Nebraska play on Saturday? 50% for 1 million?

Let's say the greater NYC market has 15 million people. How many watch Rutgers play? 10% for 1.5 million people? Does Rutgers "deliver" the NYC market? No. But all they have to do is get a fraction of it. With that many TV's in the NYC area, enough people will watch college football to make a huge dent in views.

Nationally though, Rutgers doesn't move the needle. But the massive size of their local market means all they have to do is deliver a fraction of it to be desirable.

Disagree all you want - 1.5 million people caring in a metro area of 15 million people isn't going to convince the cable operators to put the BTN on first tier, which is where the $$$ is made.

By the way, Big 10 Conference football is on in NYC quite a bit already anyway.
 

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to hell with the aggies.lets beat the a and m freaks this year and send them to the SEC.-the sooner the better.they don't want oklahoma or texas pounding their butts! GOOD RIDDENS. mods close this thread!!!
 

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Yeah but Nebraska has a much stronger national brand than Rutgers, so they WILL move the needle nationally. because even though they might only deliver 1 million from Nebraska, they will deliver many more nationally because of their brand. As much as I hate the bug eaters arguing that Rutgers is a bigger add than Nebraska is pretty silly. Also your 1.5 mil numbers seems VERY high. They probably deliver less than 1% of that market IMO. NY has a TON of pro sports teams, way to many to get a large following to the universities.

Which is why Nebraska got the nod over Rutgers. Nebraska is a bigger add on a national scale and can bring more TV sets to the table because of their tradition. Does that mean Rutgers is worthless because they're bad at football? Not at all.
 

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This USA Today "exclusive" cites an ACC official saying if the ACC goes to 16 teams, UConn and Rutgers are next in line. Let's hope so, that closes off at least one and maybe two potential candidates for the Big 10. Or maybe it hurts us because it's two more Big East teams gone. Hell, I don't know anymore.
 
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Disagree with point #1. Let's say Nebraska has 2 million people. How many watch Nebraska play on Saturday? 50% for 1 million?

Let's say the greater NYC market has 15 million people. How many watch Rutgers play? 10% for 1.5 million people? Does Rutgers "deliver" the NYC market? No. But all they have to do is get a fraction of it. With that many TV's in the NYC area, enough people will watch college football to make a huge dent in views.

Nationally though, Rutgers doesn't move the needle. But the massive size of their local market means all they have to do is deliver a fraction of it to be desirable.

If they were desirable, wouldn't someone have taken them?
 
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