*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[drednot57]

I am not convinced the Pac will take Tech and OSU and get to 16. If they want just OU and UT, they'll say so. The conference has all the leverage and holds all the cards.

It may be us, KU, KSU, Tech, OSU, Mizzou, and Baylor left behind, with Mizzou having a shot at the SEC, but the rest of us stuck with rebuilding the conference.

If OSU is left out of Pac14, then I see them as #14 for the SEC, which leaves MU for the B1G if the B1G decides to expand. Potentially, what's left of the Big12 is ISU, KU, KSU, Baylor, and TT. Add WVU, Cinci, L-ville, TCU, and BYU, Air Force, and Boise State (Big12 drops no partial qualifiers rule after UT leaves for Pac 14).

 

[CloneAbuse]

Even without that, congress very well should have a voice at the table when these decisions are being made considering how many tax dollars are sunk into public institutions every year, and when these institutions are making decisions that could have hugely damaging effects on other public institutions purely for athletic reasons, there comes a time for congress to step up and say something.

absolutely. But the TV execs have their hands in the pot when it comes to politicians as well. It becomes a cluster.

The conference commissioners are doing what they're being charged with, chasing the strength and the dollars. The money being dangled in front of them from the networks, they can't walk away from it.

How can you regulate the supply/demand of CFB?

 

[dahliaclone]

Here's Thamel's actually story...the last quote says it all. Whether anything can be done is another story I guess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/s...ference-realignment-is-said-to-be-likely.html

 

[CloneAbuse]

I guess Starr was able to stall the South with his threats....the ACC thought they'd try stealth and sudden action....that draws the DC folks to throw the media mouthpiece a little rhetoric to slow the massive dominoes they see coming in the early week.

 

[drednot57]

exactly right. If there is an exception, it is Notre Dame.

Don't forget the Army/Navy game. From what I've heard and read, that's one of the other college sports draws not only for the NYC area, but the whole Atlantic seaboard.

 

[Trice]

Yeah I agree, I just don't see it happening unless they are forced to keep up with others in a 16 team race.

This is exactly the point. If the Big 10 has the luxury of time and a host of schools to choose from that meet its criteria (academics, revenue opportunities, etc.) ISU might not make the cut.

But the 16-team race has indeed begun. I think it's more likely today than it was two days ago.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Even without that, congress very well should have a voice at the table when these decisions are being made considering how many tax dollars are sunk into public institutions every year, and when these institutions are making decisions that could have hugely damaging effects on other public institutions purely for athletic reasons, there comes a time for congress to step up and say something.

That really is the most likely scenario that these greedy bastards are going end up finding themselves in. There will be enough unhappy teams left standing in the debris that this will get a look. If anyone can take lemons and make a crap sandwich out of them, it's Congress though.

 

[justcynn]

This is exactly the point. If the Big 10 has the luxury of time and a host of schools to choose from that meet its criteria (academics, revenue opportunities, etc.) ISU might not make the cut.

But the 16-team race has indeed begun. I think it's more likely today than it was two days ago.

Reported this morning that UCONN and RUTGERS are the 15th and 16th targets for the ACC. It will force the Big 10 to act if either/both of these schools were on their short list.

 

[Trice]

Reported this morning that UCONN and RUTGERS are the 15th and 16th targets for the ACC. It will force the Big 10 to act if either/both of these schools were on their short list.

Yeah, I posted this USA Today story last night. Fourth paragraph, final sentence says Rutgers and UConn are next in line. If so, I wonder what they're waiting for. You'd have to think now that both schools would jump in a heartbeat.

 

[justcynn]

Yeah, I posted this USA Today story last night. Fourth paragraph, final sentence says Ruttgers and UConn are next in line. If so, I wonder what they're waiting for. You'd have to think now that both schools would jump in a heartbeat.

waiting for the big 10 to make up its mind I would guess...best case is ACC fills out with 16 East Coast Teams, Big East Left for Dead, OU/OSU/Texas/Tech head west and somehow we pull a conference together on the Big 12 money until the big 10 and SEC are ready to complete expansion at which time we hope. Notre Dame is the last domino to fall, no way Big 10 gets in front of this and loses a chance to have them in conference...

 

[erikbj]

Well no sense of going to the big east now. Guess Texas is not going to the acc now. Maybe this leaves the window open for the big 12 to stay together.

 

[Stormin]

Who would have thought the Big East would die first?

B1G Conference is holding the cards. I see WVU going to the SEC. Puts them at 14. Now it is up to ND and Texas. ND could still theoretically play in the Big East for other sports and remain independent for football. Texas could go independent and play in the ACC for other sports and remain independent for football. OU and OSU to Pac?? Who else does Pac?? take? TCU is on the sidelines as is TTU and Baylor. KU and KSU. And ISU. Mizzou will land somewhere.

This is getting insane. I could see Congress taking away the non-profit status of BCS football. It is clearly all about the $$$$$.

 

[Trice]

Who would have thought the Big East would die first?

B1G Conference is holding the cards. I see WVU going to the SEC. Puts them at 14. Now it is up to ND and Texas. ND could still theoretically play in the Big East for other sports and remain independent for football. Texas could go independent and play in the ACC for other sports and remain independent for football. OU and OSU to Pac?? Who else does Pac?? take? TCU is on the sidelines as is TTU and Baylor. KU and KSU. And ISU. Mizzou will land somewhere.

This is getting insane. I could see Congress taking away the non-profit status of BCS football. It is clearly all about the $$$$$.

Texas won't go independent. They don't want to, and frankly after this fiasco I don't think any other conference would want to take them on as a non-football partner. I'm beginning to think no other conference really wants them as a full member either.

 

[AlumfromAmes]

Best thing for the Big XII and Big East would be merger. Then add BYU and Air Force (or ND). This gets them to 16 before others. In turn, it means that all the other conferences are on the defensive. They have to scramble to fill out a decent conference. The Big XII/East would be as strong as any with a fantastic media footprint. We'd actually all survive this mess as one of the 4 SC.

 

[Cydkar]

Kudos to the ACC for their stealth move. Whether it works out for ISU or not I like the way they work. It's as if they hired Pollard to make the move.

 

[Trice]

waiting for the big 10 to make up its mind I would guess...best case is ACC fills out with 16 East Coast Teams, Big East Left for Dead, OU/OSU/Texas/Tech head west and somehow we pull a conference together on the Big 12 money until the big 10 and SEC are ready to complete expansion at which time we hope. Notre Dame is the last domino to fall, no way Big 10 gets in front of this and loses a chance to have them in conference...

Well this story certainly throws some cold water on the idea that the Big 10 is going to be jump-started into further expansion. I suppose it could all be public posturing...

 

[Trice]

Best thing for the Big XII and Big East would be merger. Then add BYU and Air Force (or ND). This gets them to 16 before others. In turn, it means that all the other conferences are on the defensive. They have to scramble to fill out a decent conference. The Big XII/East would be as strong as any with a fantastic media footprint. We'd actually all survive this mess as one of the 4 SC.

I'd really like it if we never heard the name Notre Dame associated with Big 12/Big East expansion again. We're on crack if we think there's any chance of that happening. If they won't join the Big 10, even in the midst of all this conference realignment insanity, they sure as hell aren't going to join our hot mess of a conference.

 

[im4cyclones]

If I am delaney, I would sit back and see how a 16 team acc operates. Do they end up making more money per school? Money and stability are what this is all about. And the b10 has both. Why rush into it? Let the acc be the guinea pigs.

And before you say they have to act to grab a team, they could steal Pitt or Maryland or mizzou from any conference they are in.

 

[MIClone]

Well no sense of going to the big east now. Guess Texas is not going to the acc now. Maybe this leaves the window open for the big 12 to stay together.

Everyone on here is freaking out about the BE collapse, but this is exactly what I thought when I heard about the BE plight. I think they've saved the B12. The question is, who all is leaving and who are we picking up.

 

[kilroy]

Everyone on here is freaking out about the BE collapse, but this is exactly what I thought when I heard about the BE plight. I think they've saved the B12. The question is, who all is leaving and who are we picking up.

THIS. I agree and hopeing with all the hope I have. The only thing that I hated about it was someone used our name in conjuction with us moving to the BE just as it was falling apart.

I would like to see some new competion in our league (including ridding ourselve of TX and OU) but keeping them would be fine if we keep the B12.