*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[scyclonekid]

I notice that the economy is going down the crapper, I know congress is not good either. Something needs to stop this monster from creating more economic downfall for public BCS schools who could potentially take a hit just because of money and TV sets. If congress is not the answer then what is or who is?

 

[Rogue52]

This should be fun.

 

[Stormin]

I would prefer that Congress not get involved in athletics in any way, shape or form. If you want to see something get screwed up even more than it is, involve the government.

I wonder how many of you who want Congress to get involved are active politically in other ways, shapes and forms. I'm guessing that your outrage is saved for us potentially having to go to a lesser conference.

How many who plan to write their Congressman have ever done so prior? My guess is, very few. But now, sports is involved and you're in a tizzy. Meanwhile the country has been going down the crapper and you've sat by and not even noticed.

Then we need to drop the pretense that conferences should be non-profit and that they exist for academic and athletic purposes. It is all about $$$$ and football. Nothing else matters.

This whole conference upheaval is going to cause a seismic rift in the academic research area. Chaos will now be the result.

The NCAA needs to be totally out of the loop now in football because they are totally irrelevant. It is all about football and TV sets.

 

[justcynn]

I would prefer that Congress not get involved in athletics in any way, shape or form. If you want to see something get screwed up even more than it is, involve the government.

I wonder how many of you who want Congress to get involved are active politically in other ways, shapes and forms. I'm guessing that your outrage is saved for us potentially having to go to a lesser conference.

How many who plan to write their Congressman have ever done so prior? My guess is, very few. But now, sports is involved and you're in a tizzy. Meanwhile the country has been going down the crapper and you've sat by and not even noticed.

Written plenty of letters and including on this issue, certinaly you are not suggesting we should all sit back and watch this go down and accept that people like DeLoss Dodds, Larry Scott, Jim DeLeaney and others will some how make sure ISU is OK? Further, we should watch Ken Starr throw a tizzy in texas and possibly use his connections to get them aligned? Further, we should just accept that Iowa is a small state and only deserves to have one team in the mix and that accept our fate? Screw that. Get involved, write letters, make phone calls, be heard. In the end, it may have no effect but its really the only outlet for ISU supporters to be heard on this issue!

 

[Stormin]

If the B1G Conference expands I wonder if Iowa will lobby for ISU to become a member. Or if they are lobbying against ISU. Amazing that KU looks out for KSU. Texas looks out for TTU. OU looks out for OSU. Where does Iowa stand?

 

[everyyard]

I would prefer that Congress not get involved in athletics in any way, shape or form. If you want to see something get screwed up even more than it is, involve the government.

I wonder how many of you who want Congress to get involved are active politically in other ways, shapes and forms. I'm guessing that your outrage is saved for us potentially having to go to a lesser conference.

How many who plan to write their Congressman have ever done so prior? My guess is, very few. But now, sports is involved and you're in a tizzy. Meanwhile the country has been going down the crapper and you've sat by and not even noticed.

Well, congress is only ruining things as so far as the businessmen with the pocketbooks behind them will allow. For both parties. Now, you are suggesting we let these same business men ruin college football? Congress doesn't ruin anything, money does...and has. You want to look at the downfall of anything people value and it can be found in one word: GREED.

 

[Yes13]

If the B1G Conference expands I wonder if Iowa will lobby for ISU to become a member. Or if they are lobbying against ISU. Amazing that KU looks out for KSU. Texas looks out for TTU. OU looks out for OSU. Where does Iowa stand?

They have zero power to do anything.

 

[trevn]

They have zero power to do anything.

+1

Although by listening to some of their fans you may get a different impression

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

There are at a handful of schools in the Big 10 that will back ISU and Ohio State may be the biggest. Thats without Iowa but I see them backing a move by ISU to the Big 10.

 

[mike4cy]

They have zero power to do anything.

So...this whole thing with the BE being toast has to mean good things for the B12 right? I've gotta think the B12 is no longer the most unstable conference...am I wrong?

 

[Al_4_State]

I think if the Big 10 expands, ISU would get the call. We can bring money to the conference, just not through TV revenue.

However, I don't see the Big 10 expanding to 16.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

So...this whole thing with the BE being toast has to mean good things for the B12 right? I've gotta think the B12 is no longer the most unstable conference...am I wrong?

That's how I feel. OU and Texas stay and we pick up BYU and the top 2 choices remaining from the Big East.

 

[Yes13]

Big East is done unless they want to stick together and add UCF, ECU, and some other team.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

To the guy that said Congress should not get involved, so I assume helpless school like ISU and KSU that have been members of a power conference since athletics began should be just ran into the ground since they provide no tv sets? Congress and government is in place to represent the people. There are a lot of people that could be affected by the greed of a few.

 

[justcynn]

So...this whole thing with the BE being toast has to mean good things for the B12 right? I've gotta think the B12 is no longer the most unstable conference...am I wrong?

Equally unstable - the Big 10 and SEC still have to make their moves...That likely leaves ISU, KSU and Baylor hooking up with a few leftovers from the big east.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Just a preemptive PSA:

If people want to talk political implications remember to keep it civil or move to another thread.

 

[Die4Cy]

In my gut, I believe the Pac 12 wants to get to 16 at the Big 12's expense, but only if they believe that is the ultimate result for ALL conferences in college football. Because of their geographic location, the Big 12 is the ONLY reasonable source of teams to fill out their card. Financially and logistically they are probably better off at 12, but have to be out front due to the Pacific Ocean limiting their options for expansion. If there is a sniff that there is a broader realignment coming, Larry Scott turns it up to eleventy out of necessity.

I think OU and UT have some great reasons to stay, but have discounted them completely. There is really no reason, including money, for them to be participating in this charade. It is very odd. The inner workings of OU administration in this process is going to draw a lot of scrutiny from investigators once "higher investigative powers" get involved, be they Congressmen or litigious attorneys working on behalf of the schools that get screwed.

ACC aggressively advocating Pitt and Cuse jumping is very significant, but I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like this stuff has all been figured out in advance and is slowly being revealed. Maybe it has?

If so, who is the "guiding hand" orchestrating these things? ESPN? They are the common party in all these events. Certainly not the NCAA. No individual party, even gargantuan Texas, has the ability to move anyone more than themselves or one traveling partner at most...

It bears watching closely.

 

[hawkfan]

ISU to the Big 10 won't happen...the Big 10 would stay at 12 before adding schools that would lose money for all involved.

If UT/ND are off the table, I could definitely see a situation where the Big Ten stands at 12 to see how things shake out before progressing any further.

My preference at this point would be to add ND, scrap the divisional format, and play a 9 game rotating conference schedule. The two teams with the best record at the end of the year play in the CCG. If there are three or four teams that are deserving, there can be a four school playoff.

The chances of the Big Ten expanding to 16 without ACC schools is slim to none. With the move the ACC just made, they really solidified their position at the big boy table.

I do think the ACC's move could have negative ramifications though. Their small TV contract just got smaller. They are locked into a TV contract for another ten years and now have to split if 14 ways rather than 12. Further, Pitt/Syracuse don't really offer any football market penetration, so I don't see their contract getting any larger.

This addition makes the ACC nearly a professional basketball conference, unfortunately for the ACC, network TV contracts aren't about basketball money.

If the ACC had their own network, this move would have made more sense.

 

[Al_4_State]

Equally unstable - the Big 10 and SEC still have to make their moves...That likely leaves ISU, KSU and Baylor hooking up with a few leftovers from the big east.

The SEC will likely take WVU, maybe Missouri. I don't think the Big 10 expands without Notre Dame.

 

[hurdleisu24]

1 Remember the ACC TV contract is with ESPN and it is more basketball than football.
2 Untill the SEC and Texas make their move this isn't over for the Big12 to be gone.
3 Iowa may not have a problem with ISU joining but they don't have the power because of a strong leader that Texas does in the B12 or national profile.