*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Cydkar

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MWC would still be a huge blow to us.

Our only chance of being relevant in football is to run the table in the conference (beating boise State and TCU - never going to happen) and beat Iowa in a given year. Actually, once we drop out of the Big 12, Iowa won't even schedule us so forget that idea.

Fans are going to have to travel to places like Fort Collins, Laramie, Boise, and Albuquerque. So much for a fan base that "travels well".

Our basketball program would disintegrate with no relevant competition and even more space between us and the east coast where we recruit.

We'll be no better off than UNI in 2 years. Welcome to irrelevance, everyone.

If you are resigned to that fact then there's really no reason for you to post any more.
 

laminak

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Not sure about the rest of those schools in their conferences, but Northwestern is a founding member of the B1G and has been with the conference since 1896. Staying with a conference, for whatever reasons, for 115 years isn't exactly "luck". /shrugs

Considering ISU was in their conference for nearly 100 years and about to be kicked to the curb while NW stays in theirs, yes, there is luck involved.
 

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MWC would still be a huge blow to us.

Our only chance of being relevant in football is to run the table in the conference (beating boise State and TCU - never going to happen) and beat Iowa in a given year. Actually, once we drop out of the Big 12, Iowa won't even schedule us so forget that idea.

Fans are going to have to travel to places like Fort Collins, Laramie, Boise, and Albuquerque. So much for a fan base that "travels well".

Our basketball program would disintegrate with no relevant competition and even more space between us and the east coast where we recruit.

We'll be no better off than UNI in 2 years. Welcome to irrelevance, everyone.


Well, at least you will get to save some money and turn this in:

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MWC would still be a huge blow to us.

Our only chance of being relevant in football is to run the table in the conference (beating boise State and TCU - never going to happen) and beat Iowa in a given year. Actually, once we drop out of the Big 12, Iowa won't even schedule us so forget that idea.

Fans are going to have to travel to places like Fort Collins, Laramie, Boise, and Albuquerque. So much for a fan base that "travels well".

Our basketball program would disintegrate with no relevant competition and even more space between us and the east coast where we recruit.

We'll be no better off than UNI in 2 years. Welcome to irrelevance, everyone.


And MWC is still extremely unlikely, hence why i listed it last. If the **** completely hits the fan its most likely the remaining big 12 members will pair up with the remaining big east members, and maybe poach the best options out of the MWC\CUSA to get to whatever number and footprint size we feel is best.
 

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Tired of this thread. Tired of being in the dark. Tired of millimeters of information whenever real news is released (you know tomorrow in TX and OK will be - we authorize possibilities be looked at and people to think about things)

Tired of the party line at ISU. Tired of being forced to watch EVERYTHING happen before we can really think about what we can do next.

Tired. Tired. Tired.

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I have no doubt we will be in an AQ conference. Thinking anything else is just wasting brain power. My fear is the conference we end up in doesn't offer the TV revenue that we need to support our current budget.
 

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Nothing good is coming from this fear-mongering and following all these rumors. I am going to step away from this thread, topic and CF for a couple days and wait for something to actually happen. I encourage others, especially those that are tied, to do the same.
I made the same decision last night, but here I am...Easier said than done
 

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Can ESPN and Fox opt out of the tv contract that they signed with the Big 12? If they can't they big 12 has the TV deal in place to be attractive to the rest of the Big east, mwc and Cusa schools that it wants
 

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Amen. Your post is dead on, but possibly too reasoned for the Internet.

Folks, there's no reason to panic right now. If it blows up and we get left out, we have time to panic then.

This thing with people breathlessly posting every tweet that comes out, even though the ones coming out are from the consistently inaccurate sources that we've railed against over and over here are just creating their own heart trouble.

Can't do more than wait and see right now. Wait and see, panic later. Or not at all.


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good bye more sports programs, at least some mens programs. Track n field... we didnt need it anyway.
 

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A thought that I haven't seen anyone delve into.

The whole we're going to be left out in the cold argument assumes that 4 super conferences form and we are not in any. There are currently 68 teams in BCS conferences. If those four conferences go to 16 that leaves 4 current BCS teams out in the cold plus TCU. That means that 4 current BCS teams plus TCU (joining BCS conference but currently not in) would have to be short changed. With the amount of uncertainty on which of the 5 teams will be left out there are probably about 10-12 teams who are concerned about their future.

In the hypothetical that these teams want to save themselves they could form their own conference with incredibly high exit fees to ensure stability and prevent the 4 super conferences from slowly killing the 5. They would all be motivated to do this because any one of them could be left out in the cold and the shift to 4 16 team conferences won't happen in 1 day. So, if Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinnati, South Florida, and Texas Tech. (Just for the sake of argument on the selections of teams left who don't have an already signaled destination conference). That's just BCS teams shut out, then you go add a couple teams like ECU and maybe a BYU or SMU/Houston. Who it is doesn't matter. It just matters that you have enough clout to prevent the Big 4 conferences from splitting off and claiming a system that can name a true national champ outside of the NCAA.

Any one of those schools is not enough to prevent the super conference from happening. However, all those teams together can not be all shut out. You do that and you have a large enough TV footprint to be a viable conference. You will not be at the level the expanded conferences dollar wise, but you are ensuring a significant enough presence to ensure existence and to warrant a BCS AQ. IF the expanded conferences try to go lock you out of a new playoff system break off from the BCS you have with those 10 teams enough clout politically and from population to either start a major legal headache.

And that is if and only if you believe the media hype that we are headed to the 4 super conferences to set up for a playoff system. There are plenty of ways for ISU and others to have a healthy future IF (and we won't be) we were left without somewhere to land.
 
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edr247

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Considering ISU was in their conference for nearly 100 years and about to be kicked to the curb while NW stays in theirs, yes, there is luck involved.

I was thinking the same thing.

Perhaps. Northwestern certainly lucked out in that the Big Ten didn't merge a group of schools like the Texas schools when college sports were more about the money than anything else. Unfortunately, that's what's happening now. Wouldn't be surprised if these Super-conferences collapse within a few years, and schools like Northwestern, maybe even Iowa are left scrambling to find new homes.
 

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Big XII survives or we are in the B1G

Pitt and Syr to ACC were the best things that could happen to ISU because it took Pitt off the table for the B1G.

I'm not worried.

I have a strong suspicion that 5 years from now we're going to look back at this meltdown and realize what is about to happen will end up being great for ISU.

I kind of have a good feeling about everything too. Things could go very well for us, or just horrible. The in between options are disappearing.
 
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