*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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jdoggivjc

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I'm seeing positives regardless of how this all shakes out. If we end up in a power conference, we'll be happy as heck and have money flowing out our tails. If we end up left out and in the top next tier conference, we'll have a little less money to work with, but we'll have more athletic success. Either way we win.

I haven't been a Debbie Downer in this (because I honestly think in the end either the Texas and Oklahoma are posturing to the extreme or the Big 12 folds and ISU ends up in the B1G), but, in the off chance I'm wrong and ISU ends up in MWC, CUSA, or some hybrid without any power schools, ISU athletics will be "relevant"for no more than 5 years, until our pipelines have dried up and we're pulling in talent no better than the rest of the schools we're saddled with. That's why I never bought into the fad "ISU to the MAC" from a number of years ago - we would dominate for 2-3 years and then we would be dragged down by the incompetence of the league.
 

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And I start to wonder if we can support wrestling.


Don't expect Pollard to stick around for the wind-down of our athletic department if that's what's called for at the end of this. He builds programs. You get a Max Urick type for that.
 

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I'm seeing positives regardless of how this all shakes out. If we end up in a power conference, we'll be happy as heck and have money flowing out our tails. If we end up left out and in the top next tier conference, we'll have a little less money to work with, but we'll have more athletic success. Either way we win.

I think this is a flawed line of thinking on two levels. First, I think the financial dropoff would be huge. Maybe not immediately if TV contracts remain in place, but over time as those contracts expire and/or are renewed at lower levels. The interest just won't be there for teams/conferences not a part of the "supers."

Second, this also doesn't take into account the hit to the prestige of the university. Who knows what this mean in terms of lost research dollars, lost enrollment, etc. Again, maybe not immediately but over time.
 

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I'm seeing positives regardless of how this all shakes out. If we end up in a power conference, we'll be happy as heck and have money flowing out our tails. If we end up left out and in the top next tier conference, we'll have a little less money to work with, but we'll have more athletic success. Either way we win.

I hope this is a joke...
 

hurdleisu24

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I think this is a flawed line of thinking on two levels. First, I think the financial dropoff would be huge. Maybe not immediately if TV contracts remain in place, but over time as those contracts expire and/or are renewed at lower levels. The interest just won't be there for teams/conferences not a part of the "supers."

Second, this also doesn't take into account the hit to the prestige of the university. Who knows what this mean in terms of lost research dollars, lost enrollment, etc. Again, maybe not immediately but over time.


I think this could be huge
 

bosco

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Weeding out fair weather/bandwagon fans = destroying your athletic budget.

Bad thing about bandwagon fans is that they are fickle. The great thing about bandwagon fans is that they are fickle. That's why they are called fair weather fans. Once the sun is out they come back.
 

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Question is...who do you build from? If all the big players run off to join the 4 superconferences... who do you have left? Assuming the 4 conferences let the 5th play for the NCG, how does a small group of schools stay relevant and viable?

I guess I was just thinking that OU (and everyone else) stay and let the pac12 deal with TX and their network. If the pac12 is going to let them keep their network (as it has somewhat been reported), why would OU go with them if that is indeed a major point of contention with OU? The rest of us stay together and add without TX.
 

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I think this could be huge

+1

Sad that no one wants to believe this, but a drop into a lesser conference would be devastating on so many levels. Thus my comments about being a UNI type of university and athletic program. This is the beginning of the end for ISU as we know it.
 

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I can't recall anything else isunorth has ever posted. But based on this one post, I would have to assume he is clueless.

We are very lucky to have Pollard at a time like this.
 

Cyballzz

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+1

Sad that no one wants to believe this, but a drop into a lesser conference would be devastating on so many levels. Thus my comments about being a UNI type of university and athletic program. This is the beginning of the end for ISU as we know it.

WE GOT IT. Now go drop your homophobic blasts somewhere else you neanderthal.
 

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I'm worried as well, as are a lot of schools. The Big East boards are blowing up their conference and there are too many tumbling pieces to guess at and keep track of currently. Who knows if the B1G is going to move now or wait, and if that helps or hurts us.

If the forgotten 5 do have to merge with the remaining BE schools, would the big 12 have been dissolved then and lost any payouts/bcd/bowl tie-ins immediately?
 
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