*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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I've been saying it to anyone who will listen all weekend: The ACC being the aggressor is a good thing for ISU, especially if they add UConn and Rutgers as well.
The ACC is hungry to establish itself as a conference that could rival the Big Ten and Swofford apparently has an ultimate wish list that includes adding Texas and Notre Dame as the 15th and 16th members. If Notre Dame passes, Swofford will reportedly still make a pitch to get Texas by offering to also add Texas Tech. If Texas declines and goes to the Pac-12, the ACC could stick with 14 teams or take a hard look at Connecticut and Rutgers.
Connecticut wants in, and so does Rutgers, but the ACC could feel it has the NYC market covered with Syracuse, whose chancellor, Nancy Cantor, is already calling the Orange the city's ACC team.
I've been saying this all weekend as well. If all of the above happens, if we assume the south schools come to their senses and the Big 12 survives, several good Big East schools are going to need a place to land and they can no longer afford to snobbishly turn their noses up at the Big 12. If the Big 12 blows up and the B1G wants to go to 16, they're about out of options for schools that fit their profile and may not have a choice but take ISU to get to 16. And while I'm not necessarily a fan of a merged Big East/Big 12 without the south schools, there are worse places to land, especially if it's just a waiting game for the B1G to go to 16 or for the superconferences to blow up.
I don't think its coincidence that the following statement keeps popping up...
Doomsday for the Big 12? | AthlonSports.com
And it’s very likely 16-team super conferences will break apart in the future, as teams are unhappy with the setup and how the money is distributed.
Doomsday for the Big 12? | AthlonSports.com
And it’s very likely 16-team super conferences will break apart in the future, as teams are unhappy with the setup and how the money is distributed.
The RAG chimes in...not exactly the best written piece in my opinion...
Guest columnist: Unraveling of the Big 12 is a bad sign for the state of Iowa | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com
Guest columnist: Unraveling of the Big 12 is a bad sign for the state of Iowa | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com
So if TCU is considering not going to the Big East, that means they will stay in the MWC unless another conference comes calling. If that is the case, then hopefully the Big 12 stays together and adds TCU and other good schools or they decide to stay in the MWC and they add Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Baylor.
East:
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
Baylor
Air Force
West:
Colorado State
Wyoming
New Mexico
UNLV
San Diego State
Boise State
Now to me this isn't as great as the Big 12 but with what is going on in the Big East currently, this looks like a pretty good option.
No- I'm sure you'll see a Big Tweast merger before the forgotten 5 are assimilated in the Mountain West...and even if the forgottens were assimilated, the MTN West is adding Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii, and I think somebody else next year too...they'll be at 10 teams next year.
MWC does not have an AQ to a BCS bowl. Big East and Big 12 do. Whichever league survives keeps it, so it would not be smart to go to MWC.
To everyone hating on the Big 12/Big East merger: You better start warming up to the idea because, as of right now, it appears that is our "best" option if Texas/OU/OSU/TT head west (except for going to the Big 10 which isn't happening).
I just don't understand OU and Texas' position that the PAC is better than salvaging the B12. And didn't OU want to go to the PAC to get out of Texas' shadow? Now they will be in the same division again. And don't play the "stability card" about the PAC...the Big 12 could be stable for 10+ years if OU recommits and we throw the $70 mil death exit fee on everyone.
I just don't understand OU and Texas' position that the PAC is better than salvaging the B12. And didn't OU want to go to the PAC to get out of Texas' shadow? Now they will be in the same division again. And don't play the "stability card" about the PAC...the Big 12 could be stable for 10+ years if OU recommits and we throw the $70 mil death exit fee on everyone.
I feel more and more as if the Big 12 will survive and that I may actually get cable to watch the Big 12 Network.
Here is a post I previously made and think it should be shown again:
Outside of Texas (because of LHN) all schools would reap financially if a tier 3 conference network was created each school would get over $7 million annually. Let me show you my calculations. $.50/month per subscriber in the Big 12 footprint and 8,000,000 households (conservative) and $.10/month per subscriber non Big 12 footprint 20,000,000 households. For each member of the Big 12 this would be $7.2 million per year. This would be in addition to Tier 2 and Tier 1 TV money. The in footprint subscriber amount is half of the Big 10 amount I think and the out of footprint is the same as the Big 10. This also does not include ad/sponsorship revenues. Each school would be looking at a minimum of $20 - $22 million per year in TV money I think starting next year if this were to happen. I think only Texas would see a 'drop' since they would not have the LHN. This would be HUGE for the conference in terms of stability, stature, attractiveness and competitiveness. I would think a BYU, Louisville or South Florida/WVA would find this very attractive and could increase the payouts per school based on new subscribers.
I posted this in another thread:
Cuse and Pitt leaving might be good for the Big 12. Now the Big East is looking like it is in trouble and teams are looking for a spot. The football teams remaining next year will be USF, Cinci, Louisville, Rutgers, UCONN, WVU, and TCU. The good news is we already have a good TV contract in place. If we keep KU, KSU, Mizzou, and Baylor in the conference then add some of these schools we would not be as strong as a conference in football but our contract would stay in place. TCU and Louisville would be decent additions and would definitely be interested in making the move. Other schools might not make as much sense geographically, but it's not like USF makes much sense in the Big East as it is. We could also pick up another Texas school or two if necessary to help fill and keep good geographic location and to help keep the Big 12 recruiting footprint in Texas. But adding the Big East remaining schools also wouldn't be out of the question. We would become a lot more competitive in football every year which could increase our stock to join another conference in the future. If this was our conference this year we just might make a BCS bowl.
Cuse and Pitt leaving might be good for the Big 12. Now the Big East is looking like it is in trouble and teams are looking for a spot. The football teams remaining next year will be USF, Cinci, Louisville, Rutgers, UCONN, WVU, and TCU. The good news is we already have a good TV contract in place. If we keep KU, KSU, Mizzou, and Baylor in the conference then add some of these schools we would not be as strong as a conference in football but our contract would stay in place. TCU and Louisville would be decent additions and would definitely be interested in making the move. Other schools might not make as much sense geographically, but it's not like USF makes much sense in the Big East as it is. We could also pick up another Texas school or two if necessary to help fill and keep good geographic location and to help keep the Big 12 recruiting footprint in Texas. But adding the Big East remaining schools also wouldn't be out of the question. We would become a lot more competitive in football every year which could increase our stock to join another conference in the future. If this was our conference this year we just might make a BCS bowl.
Can anyone clarify what needs to happen for remaining conference members to collect exit penalty fees? Correct me if I'm wrong, but when it was 12 teams, did it not require 6 votes to consider the conference dissolved? Now that it's ten would it only require 5? Would this mean that IF Baylor, ISU, KSU, KU, & Mizzou chose to rebuild the conference we'd miss out on exit penalties? What about the remaining Big East members? A "Big Tweast" merger would be great if we could start out with a little cash in our pockets...
Well, he might want to do it quick as in the next few months. He may want to wait, but he may have his hand forced. If there are three megaconferences, and Delaney sits at 12 members, that would be stupid on their part. It is rather obvious we are headed to the Big 64 teams and then all the rest.
If a new league of also rans is formed, the exit fee probbaly will be $20M and all these teams such as us will not be able to afford it.
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I believe excluding existing BCS teams from the new upper tier of college football is a huge legal headache the powers that be do not want to have. The compromise? Let all existing BCS teams have a seat at the table. What's funny is, if this indeed happens, all of this conference shuffling will lead to MORE teams in the BCS (or whatever the upper tier will be called) rather than less. Maybe somewhere between 70 and 80.
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