Unless they all find new homes in which case they probably just dissolve the conference.
*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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Any ideas when we will know more? yesterday we thought we would know a little more today but we dont. I have been out of the loop since last night. I Know we wont really KNOW anything what the next timeline?
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OU and UT are playing it out right now. Negotiating the terms of a stay of execution for the Big 12. One hang up to them going west may be that it is not a foregone conclusion they will be able to take their traveling partners with them--there may not be votes among PAC presidents to get it done, and political hell rains down upon both UT and OU in state if they don't.
Larry Scott is a total *******, but he can't make Berkeley and Stanford want to share the pool with the OSU Pokes and Red Raiders. There is resistance out there to his grand plan for expansion. Ultimately it may save us from this mess.
Conference expansion seems to be aligning with the Big Ten model--does the school bring a market or a brand? If they don't, they dilute the value of the coalition to each individual member and weaken it.
Larry Scott is a total *******, but he can't make Berkeley and Stanford want to share the pool with the OSU Pokes and Red Raiders. There is resistance out there to his grand plan for expansion. Ultimately it may save us from this mess.
Conference expansion seems to be aligning with the Big Ten model--does the school bring a market or a brand? If they don't, they dilute the value of the coalition to each individual member and weaken it.
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I think this is the article he is referring to, and is about a lot more than the Big East, including several comments like this:
Colleges Run to (Pay)daylight
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/s...aydaylight.html?pagewanted=1&ref=ncaafootball
WOW...I can't imagine the bad blood between schools for 3 full seasons...and we thought Nebraska's last season in the Big 12 was ugly. Imagine if they were with us for this year and next year too.
I have a feeling in the end they'll settle and let the two go after this season.
I keep thinking isince Tx played their hand last year and has no more cards in the deck, they played that hand last year to get the LH network and because they are out of cards they may have just seeded us a BigXII network a la the LH network by de-facto...
Where ever they go now it is equal revenue sharing. SOOOO, if, IF Ok can out pis.s Tx we may have a $$$$ coming our way and equal money!
BUT i dont trust Tx any more than our state is bigger than theirs. So even if they do agree what the hell is stopping this again later.
Anyways, whatever.
Where ever they go now it is equal revenue sharing. SOOOO, if, IF Ok can out pis.s Tx we may have a $$$$ coming our way and equal money!
BUT i dont trust Tx any more than our state is bigger than theirs. So even if they do agree what the hell is stopping this again later.
Anyways, whatever.
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Good to see people in power still have their head about them. This thing is a bunch of supposedly intelligent leaders getting lost in simple game theory.
If the Big 12 somehow stays together, with A&M going to the SEC, do we stay at 9 or do we poach the Big East? I know this has been asked somewhere in this thread, bit this thread is frickin massive and I am not spending the time looking for that data. If we do poach, do we take 3 teams and go back to 12, or do we go to 16?
Big East Teams that look of interest: TCU, Louisville, UCONN, Rutgers, and West Virginia (If they don't get taken by the SEC)
Teams around college football: BYU, ND, Houston, and Rice (This just for fun, bring up the academic prestige!)
Big East Teams that look of interest: TCU, Louisville, UCONN, Rutgers, and West Virginia (If they don't get taken by the SEC)
Teams around college football: BYU, ND, Houston, and Rice (This just for fun, bring up the academic prestige!)
I missed where Nebraska's last season was ugly. Thought it was pretty tame. Just some "loud noises" but no ugliness. Hell, even their mascot went unharmed.
With that 27 month notice in the BE, I don't see any poaching for us there (at least in the short term). If the bad boys stay, looks like BYU only feasible way to get back to 10. Which was the initial plan with the A&M exit it sounds like.
You've absolutely nailed it. To me, a lot of oxygen will go out of the panic fueled fires when 2-4 schools from the PAC say No Thanks.
And even if the the PAC would let UT and OU in, they can't make expansion work with just 2 very eastern teams (to them). Which will give OU and UT another chance to kiss and make up.
Ya and all this crap was dumber than dumb except there may be equaler (istthataword) money in this now. I ve read some BYU stuff and they are kicking themselves (fans and media) for not coming in earlier (bout a month ago I believe). I also think had they come earlier we would be bouncing around as bad as we are now.
I watched the Boren interview outside the meeting on the local news in Oklahoma City on the 6 pm news and he said a lot, but the take aways for me were:
1.) Very clear that OU does not want anymore than an equal voice in a conference.
2.) OU will be in a conference going forward where there is equal revenue sharing for revenues and all partners work together for the greater good of all members.
3.) The only way they stay is with a stable group of institutions that want to work together.
If the Big 12 can do those things then the Big 12 is still on the table as an option for OU.
You may disagree with how he is doing it, but it is hard to argue with the goal of what he is doing for OU.
I am sorry I am not smart enough to get up a link to the local news video clips if they have them posted. ABC Channel 5 in OKC and CBS Channel 9 were the two stations I was flipping back and form. I will se if anything new is on at 10:00 pm.
Based on his tone of voice and how he answered the question I did not get a good feel that he thought the Big 12 could get comfortable with each other again.
Or maybe Rebecacy is right and he is a really smart politician!
1.) Very clear that OU does not want anymore than an equal voice in a conference.
2.) OU will be in a conference going forward where there is equal revenue sharing for revenues and all partners work together for the greater good of all members.
3.) The only way they stay is with a stable group of institutions that want to work together.
If the Big 12 can do those things then the Big 12 is still on the table as an option for OU.
You may disagree with how he is doing it, but it is hard to argue with the goal of what he is doing for OU.
I am sorry I am not smart enough to get up a link to the local news video clips if they have them posted. ABC Channel 5 in OKC and CBS Channel 9 were the two stations I was flipping back and form. I will se if anything new is on at 10:00 pm.
Based on his tone of voice and how he answered the question I did not get a good feel that he thought the Big 12 could get comfortable with each other again.
Or maybe Rebecacy is right and he is a really smart politician!
Mountain West, Conference USA working on merger? | CollegeFootballTalkper twitter said:
HA ha, now the small ones are running wild. Everyone forgot about them.
I bet the wac and sunbelt are the next breaking news.
The only problem with his posturing now is the fact that his comments on Sept. 2nd are what caused all hell to break loose. He was critical of the threat of litigation and said that was no way to keep a conference together, but in all honesty he left Baylor, initially, and the rest of us no choice but to circle the wagons with the threat of litigation to slow the process down. If he was simply trying to pull Texas to the table, you would have thought he would have communicated with the other Presidents prior to blowing things up...
Wow, thanks for the link. The NY Times did some amazing work there; or at least digging up work that others had done and summarizing it for human consumption. As I was reading through it I was constantly amazed at how much it actually lined up with the reality we are seeing. And the reality as I thought I understood it (guess I do understand it pretty well ... pats self on back). A few exceptions: Boise had a larger fan base that I was expecting; I think it surprised them too. Idaho is now a football hotbed and all eyes are glued on the Broncos. UNLV really suprised me for being in such a large city they have very few fans. Guess there are so many other things to do in Vegas nobody cares about football. In the south a couple of Florida teams surprised: USF and UCF. USF is in Tampa and UCF is in Orlando and people in Florida follow football pretty closely so there are relatively a lot of fans for schools that don't have much prestige or reputation.
But other than that it was spot on. Incredibly so. They even explain why the B1G isn't looking to expand ... they don't have too and the numbers back it up.
I would recommend that everyone look at that data because that is what is being used to slice up the pie.
Oh, there was one other surprise: Houston. We all knew Houston was not a great fit and they have a really small fan base for being in such a big city. Not sure why.
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