*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Testing123]

You know, the more I think about this, the more I think we might finally have enough information to put together a pretty good guess on how this will end up. Here's what we know for (almost) certain:

* The Big 10 doesn't want to expand unless they absolutely have to or if ND is an option.
* ND doesn't want to move unless four 16-team conferences (or something close) are imminent.
* The SEC will either take Missou or an ACC school as their 14th, or stay at 13.
* The ACC schools are pretty solid after raising their buyout.
* Missou will take any conference deal they can to get out of the Big 12.
* The ACC could have taken two more schools this weekend, but chose not to.
* Texas wants to keep TLN and their tier 3 rights if remotely possible.
* OU and OSU will probably take a Pac-12 invite, with or without the Texases.


Let's synthesize this. The SEC can't get to 16 without raiding the ACC, which they're not likely to do now. The ACC had a chance to go to 16 but didn't. The Big 10 isn't expanding unless they have to. So the only league that can start the 16-team dominoes is the Pac-12.

The most important thing to Texas is the LHN and those tier 3 rights. That'll never happen in the Pac-12, or at least not to the degree Texas would like. OU and OSU don't like LHN, so they bolt to the Pac-12. Missouri goes to the SEC. Which leaves us with the following 13 schools:

Baylor
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Iowa State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Rutgers
South Florida
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia

BYU signs up to make 14. Everyone agrees to share Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights equally. There's a $40 million exit clause. Everyone is moderately happy. No one is left out, so no one is suing.

 

[BooneCy]

Money. Running a playoff outside of NCAA would allow only the "BCS" schools to ever be associated in any kind of financial gain. 64 teams vs 120.

I dont think this in our near future, but Im guessing it is another step down the line

I see what you mean, but I could see the NCAA bending over backwards before letting it all slip away. They can create a whole other level like they created the FBS and FCS.

 

[Incyte]

Sounds like the bluff went too far now, and they cant go back to the big 12. Stupid OU.

I don't read it as that at all. Just says posturing went too far.

 

[BooneCy]

You know, the more I think about this, the more I think we might finally have enough information to put together a pretty good guess on how this will end up. Here's what we know for (almost) certain:

* The Big 10 doesn't want to expand unless they absolutely have to or if ND is an option.
* ND doesn't want to move unless four 16-team conferences (or something close) are imminent.
* The SEC will either take Missou or an ACC school as their 14th, or stay at 13.
* The ACC schools are pretty solid after raising their buyout.
* Missou will take any conference deal they can to get out of the Big 12.
* The ACC could have taken two more schools this weekend, but chose not to.
* Texas wants to keep TLN and their tier 3 rights if remotely possible.
* OU and OSU will probably take a Pac-12 invite, with or without the Texases.


Let's synthesize this. The SEC can't get to 16 without raiding the ACC, which they're not likely to do now. The ACC had a chance to go to 16 but didn't. The Big 10 isn't expanding unless they have to. So the only league that can start the 16-team dominoes is the Pac-12.

The most important thing to Texas is the LHN and those tier 3 rights. That'll never happen in the Pac-12, or at least not to the degree Texas would like. OU and OSU don't like LHN, so they bolt to the Pac-12. Missouri goes to the SEC. Which leaves us with the following 13 schools:

Baylor
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Iowa State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Rutgers
South Florida
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia

BYU signs up to make 14. Everyone agrees to share Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights equally. There's a $40 million exit clause. Everyone is moderately happy. No one is left out, so no one is suing.

and FIN

 

[Wesley]

Can they do that if every school that plays football is already committed to a different conference? Doesn't make any sense. (assuming of course UConn/Rutgers ends up in ACC/B1G)

West Virginia turned down by ACC, SEC - CBSSports.com

WVU is now down to B12 for entry after two rejection letters. They do have eyeballs per NYT.

 

[CycloneChris]

Not sure what this means. The bluff went too far and can't turn back?

Or they didn't bluff right and didn't get everything they wanted from UT and can't go PAC?

 

[Stormin]

OU is leaving for the PAC to make less money and increase travel costs. Brilliant.

Stupid.

 

[Wesley]

You are correct.


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The good old days when we had our wits about us. Did beebeeman remember to do B13, B15, B16?

 

[NobodyBeatsCy]

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



Hearing from ou money person pac12 flirtation was originally posturing but may have gone 2 far majority ou ppl want 2 keep big12 intact

Sounds like OU got knocked up by the Pac 12 and now OU is now sorting through her options

 

[cyman05]

West Virginia turned down by ACC, SEC - CBSSports.com

WVU is now down to B12 for entry after two rejection letters. They do have eyeballs per NYT.

Slive to West Virginia: "Sorry about your bad luck guys. No hard feelings. Why don't you try a re-take in a few weeks after we decide on some other teams first."

 

[Rickybaby]

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



Hearing from ou money person pac12 flirtation was originally posturing but may have gone 2 far majority ou ppl want 2 keep big12 intact

I think what this means is OU threatening to leave scared the **** out of everybody and Pitt/Syr wouldn't have left the BE except for that threat. And the threat was just a bluff that went too far.

 

[Trice]

I know, I know, I know.

But, the comments up till now have included, "we are confident Iowa State will be in a good situation when this is all over." Now it's "make sure Iowa State is positioned as well as possible when the dust settles". That's a shift in anyone's book.

I will be sick to my stomach when the sell job starts to tell us how great the MWC is, if that is how it all shakes out

I think you're over-parsing here. I don't think GG's earlier statements are any more a guarantee of a good outcome than his recent statement is a guarantee of not having a good outcome. He didn't say anything of substance in the first place so I don't see how it represents any kind of shift.

 

[ccyclonepower25]

You know, the more I think about this, the more I think we might finally have enough information to put together a pretty good guess on how this will end up. Here's what we know for (almost) certain:

* The Big 10 doesn't want to expand unless they absolutely have to or if ND is an option.
* ND doesn't want to move unless four 16-team conferences (or something close) are imminent.
* The SEC will either take Missou or an ACC school as their 14th, or stay at 13.
* The ACC schools are pretty solid after raising their buyout.
* Missou will take any conference deal they can to get out of the Big 12.
* The ACC could have taken two more schools this weekend, but chose not to.
* Texas wants to keep TLN and their tier 3 rights if remotely possible.
* OU and OSU will probably take a Pac-12 invite, with or without the Texases.


Let's synthesize this. The SEC can't get to 16 without raiding the ACC, which they're not likely to do now. The ACC had a chance to go to 16 but didn't. The Big 10 isn't expanding unless they have to. So the only league that can start the 16-team dominoes is the Pac-12.

The most important thing to Texas is the LHN and those tier 3 rights. That'll never happen in the Pac-12, or at least not to the degree Texas would like. OU and OSU don't like LHN, so they bolt to the Pac-12. Missouri goes to the SEC. Which leaves us with the following 13 schools:

Baylor
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Iowa State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Rutgers
South Florida
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia

BYU signs up to make 14. Everyone agrees to share Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights equally. There's a $40 million exit clause. Everyone is moderately happy. No one is left out, so no one is suing.

That sounds plausable, but without equal sharing we are in this same spot in a few years. Unless we can become a national brand in a few years it's not really worth it to keep suckling the Texas teat IMO.

 

[NobodyBeatsCy]

I think you're over-parsing here. I don't think GG's earlier statements are any more a guarantee of a good outcome than his recent statement is a guarantee of not having a good outcome. He didn't say anything of substance in the first place so I don't see how it represents any kind of shift.

Wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last. Just reading the tea leaves.

 

[cyman05]

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



Hearing from ou money person pac12 flirtation was originally posturing but may have gone 2 far majority ou ppl want 2 keep big12 intact

So let's assume this is true.

It sounds like we could've had BYU, West Virginia, and Pitt before Boren opened his mouth a couple weeks ago to make 12 teams.

Boren opened his mouth to try to bring Texas to its knees. If OU stays, what do they end up gaining? If the Big 12 lives, we'll be at probably 14 teams because we can't leave anybody in the Big East behind. We will have lost Pitt in the process, and diluted revenue per team thanks to the great ratings of Cincy, Louisville, and S. Florida.

If this turns out to be true, I think the posturing will end up turning out to be more costly than if he'd kept his mouth shut.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

BlairKerkhoff Blair Kerkhoff



David Boren line that that resonates: "Sometimes I yearn for the Big Eight."

Thought this spoke volumes

 

[Chad]

Not sure what this means. The bluff went too far and can't turn back?

I don't think it means they went too far and they can't come back, I think it means there were probably directions given to engage in "flirting" with the PAC in order to send a message to certain universities, throw some weight around, etc, but those doing the "flirting" took it beyond what was originally intended and approved by the higher-ups, probably got a little power/money hungry and had too much fun with the flirting.

 

[Rickybaby]

The following is just crazy enough to be true. A&M doesn't leave. B12 adds BYU, WV, and TCU. Then adds USF, Louis, and Cinci. After all of this is said and done we'd be the only conference at 16 and stronger than everybody else; even the SEC.

(I have no instead twit knowledge, I just made this up)

 

[Testing123]

That sounds plausable, but without equal sharing we are in this same spot in a few years. Unless we can become a national brand in a few years it's not really worth it to keep suckling the Texas teat IMO.

I'm not saying it's sustainable, because nothing (except maybe 4x16) is sustainable. But it is the way I think it'll all fall into place. If we're lucky, we might get a decade or so out of it.

And ISU wouldn't have a choice to not accept this conference. It's this or the MWC. At least Tier 1 and 2 would (likely) be equally shared, which is better than what we have now.

 

[helechopper]

http://twitter.com/#!/BlairKerkhoffDavid Boren line that that resonates: "Sometimes I yearn for the Big Eight."

How many millions of times have I thought this exact same sentiment during the past 15 years. We had such an awesome conference then.