*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[twistedredbird]

Chicago is a nightmare logistically, way to expensive, and union heavy. Chicago can't even land Big 10 events, but the CCTB is heavily working on changing that with change of leadership at the helm who brought all the NCAA stuff and sports championships to Indianapolis.
tHowever, unions are fighting reform real hard.

Offices - Kansas City. Kansas City is an association/non-profit city, once the home of the NCAA. But, I would settle for anywhere in middle of the conference. When Dodds office is 30 minutes from the commish, do we think a new commish will change that relationship. We may live in a virtual world, but proximity matters.

Football should rotate, Dallas, KC, etc.

BBall should too.

 

[cycloneworld]

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AndrewMLogue Andrew Logue



Mnt. West commish says his staff has talked with Iowa State folks. He feels Cyclones are leaning more toward Big 12/Big East.

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In other news, Conference USA says staff has talked with Texas folks and heels Longhorns are leaning towards another conference.

 

[twistedredbird]

Or he is lucky the PAC doesn't want OSU. My guess is OU is back to the table because it's not a given them + OSU would be accepted into the Pac-12.

Where were these demands weeks ago? Months ago? A year ago?

Can't make them when you don't hold the cards. OU holds the cards now. Texas needs OU, and for that matter the other Big 12 schools now, and may be realizing how much now.

 

[ISUFan22]

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Mnt. West commish says his staff has talked with Iowa State folks. He feels Cyclones are leaning more toward Big 12/Big East.

In other news, Conference USA says staff has talked with Texas folks and heels Longhorns are leaning towards another conference.

Can I get a "ya think???" up in here?

 

[Gorm]

In other news, Conference USA says staff has talked with Texas folks and heels Longhorns are leaning towards another conference.

Ummmm....Duh??? :twitcy:

 

[Frak]

OU now proposes splitting 1/3 of 3rd tier money equally. I think that UT can probably live with that. That still leaves them with $8.4M a year and donating $3.6M. Extra $400k for ISU! Coache's raises!

 

[ISUFan22]

I was with you until I read the Oklahoman article. While everything in it probably isn't 100% accurate/true, if the schools don't think Beebe is acting in the best interest of the conference (and the article makes it clear some don't), he should be fired.

Don't disagree. Just stating the commish can only do what the universities allow him to do and will cooperate with him on.

The leadership in this conference has been pretty dysfunctional for a while. Much to do with poor communication between schools and with the commish.

Poor communication is typically the root of most problems in about every aspect of life/business/etc.

 

[Die4Cy]

I wonder how much productivity has been lost over the past month due to all of these random tweets by people who have not even been close with predicting anything.

CF is front and center on this.

We may be the only website that had at least one reader drop everything to visit the Ames airport with binoculars when it was learned a plane was arriving in Iowa from California.

I have enjoyed this thread immensely, and when CW writes the book that tells the whole story of this charade someday, I hope he includes a reprint of the mother of all realignment threads as a 200 printed page epilogue. Because I would buy that book. Or at least borrow it from the library.

 

[cycloneworld]

Latest from Orangebloods:

Orangebloods.com - Attempt to save Big 12 will be its Hail Mary or last gasp

There is a serious effort being made, led by Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, to try to save the Big 12, according to a high-placed administrator at a Big 12 school.

It will either be the Big 12's Hail Mary or its last gasp.

The administrator said Deaton, the head of the Big 12's five-member expansion committee, is trying to get everyone back to the table to try to see if the Big 12 can work out its differences.

A regent at another Big 12 school said he he was optimistic the conference could heal its problems.

Oklahoma State mega booster Boone Pickens was quoted by The Oklahoman saying Pickens had called Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a former yell leader at Texas A&M, to try and fix the Big 12, including keeping the Aggies from bolting for the Southeastern Conference.

But Texas A&M spokesman Jason Cook released a statement to Orangebloods.com that said, "Texas A&M has made our intentions perfectly clear. We do not intend to be a member of the Big 12 past this season."

The question then becomes if Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State can live together in a nine-member Big 12?

And The Oklahoman quotes an unnamed, high-ranking Big 12 source as saying Oklahoma has a list of demands to hold the Big 12 together, including replacing commissioner Dan Beebe and for Texas to make some concessions as it pertains to the Longhorn Network.

The newspaper quotes sources saying OU was angered by ESPN getting a waiver from Fox to show a second game on the Longhorn Network and surprising the rest of the conference with the news.

The sources also tell the Oklahoman OU was upset when ESPN vowed to show high school highlights even after it was deemed impermissible by the NCAA to show high school games on LHN.

In general, the sources tell The Oklahoman, the Big 12 has a big trust problem that has to be rectified.

The Oklahoman also quotes a source saying Dan Beebe only serves one school - Texas.

The newspaper reports, ironically, Texas supported Jack Swarbrick as commissioner of the Big 12 and OU supported Beebe when Beebe was awarded the job as leader of the Big 12. Swarbrick is now the athletic director at Notre Dame.

Sources across the Big 12 confirm to Orangebloods.com that there is definitely a movement to try to save the Big 12 led by Deaton that may involve some radical proposals.

We will have more details as they become available.

A high-ranking official at a Big 12 school said, "The Big 12 is going to stay intact except for Texas A&M."

We will see if that's wishful thinking and the Big 12's Hail Mary - one year after a similar rescue attempt was successful - or if it's the Big 12's last gasp.

Stay tuned.

 

[Judoka]

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In other news, Conference USA says staff has talked with Texas folks and heels Longhorns are leaning towards another conference.

I wouldn't be to cocky. A week ago the Big East wasn't the safety outlet. The MWC was with teh Big East being a step higher.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



Also, Beebe was told last week that he would be out and there are others behind the scenes running the league to keep it together.

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[UNIGuy4Cy]

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



Fred Smith of Fed Ex apparently is offering 10 mil a yr to any league that adds Memphis into a super conf so new big 12 is considering them

 

[cycloneworld]

I wouldn't be to cocky. A week ago the Big East wasn't the safety outlet. The MWC was with teh Big East being a step higher.

Agreed. But 3 weeks ago keeping the Big 12 together wasn't even an issue, it was who would we add. Things change rapidly and with the ACC taking Pitt/Cuse, I think worst case now we end up in the B12/BE merger.

 

[CyFan61]

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



Fred Smith of Fed Ex apparently is offering 10 mil a yr to any league that adds Memphis into a super conf so new big 12 is considering them

Really hope this isn't true. Once schools buy their way in, we have a problem.

Memphis does fit geographically, have a solid basketball program, and have a football stadium that's large enough. That's about it though.

$10 million a year would be pretty sweet though. What about when the money stops? Do we toss 'em?

 

[Trice]

As I read somewhere on Twitter (things are obviously moving fast right now), it's worth mentioning that Beebe had to capitulate to Texas in the summer of 2010 in order to save the league. At that moment, it was probably the right thing to do.

That said, there's still a UT-centered culture that needs to be corrected. I've said it was a bad idea to let Beebe go in the middle of this crisis, but he should probably step down whenever this is over just for a fresh start for all parties involved.

So this makes sense. I do feel a little bad for the guy as I think SOME of the rap he's taken has been unfair and this is obviously a huge public humiliation.

But hey, the league might be saved!

 

[gocubs2118]

Really hope this isn't true. Once schools buy their way in, we have a problem.

Memphis does fit geographically, have a solid basketball program, and have a football stadium that's large enough. That's about it though.

$10 million a year would be pretty sweet though

You can throw the academics argument out the window if you add Memphis. There is a reason why they need to bribe conferences.

 

[cyman05]

I liked this tweet

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis

@Matt_HayesSN Yep, Missouri spoke out of turn. With legal issues, SEC likely furious.

If you're Mizzou, why would you let this leak?

1. You're trying to bring the Big 10 into play
OR
2. You think the Big 12ish can live and you want to make the SEC mad and look like the bad guys


I liked like the KU insider's analysis...

Here's the other thing to remember about Mizzou's pause regarding the SEC offer, if it is, in fact, on the table.
If the Tigers go now, they open themselves up to lawsuits and exit penalties. If they wait for the Big 12 to implode, they ride off into the sunset unscathed.
Not saying that's what's going on... Remember, multiple people within the conference that I've talked to have said that MU is all-in on keeping Big 12 alive.
Just trying to show both side here. After all, an actual offer from the SEC changes things quite a bit. Easy to be loyal to Big 12 when you don't have other concrete options. Now, though.... New ballgame.


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[cyman05]

I liked this tweet



If you're Mizzou, why would you let this leak?

1. You're trying to bring the Big 10 into play
OR
2. You think the Big 12ish can live and you want to make the SEC mad and look like the bad guys


I liked like the KU insider's analysis...

Here's the other thing to remember about Mizzou's pause regarding the SEC offer, if it is, in fact, on the table.
If the Tigers go now, they open themselves up to lawsuits and exit penalties. If they wait for the Big 12 to implode, they ride off into the sunset unscathed.
Not saying that's what's going on... Remember, multiple people within the conference that I've talked to have said that MU is all-in on keeping Big 12 alive.
Just trying to show both side here. After all, an actual offer from the SEC changes things quite a bit. Easy to be loyal to Big 12 when you don't have other concrete options. Now, though.... New ballgame.


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Also from the last source earlier today:

Long way to go before we get to that point, but multiple sources have told me that they've been impressed by the loyalty and dedication to the Big 12 that both MU AD Mike Alden and MU chancellor Brady Deaton have shown throughout the past couple of months.

 

[isuno1fan]

Was listening to 810 out of KC and they are very optimistic with this new news. Said Beebe leaving will not be an issue. Beebe wants to see the conference survive and he will leave on his own no problem if that is what it takes. Also thought Joe Castiglione might be the new B12 commish (would be great...old Big 8 guy!!) or at least interim one.

Question is if we pull this back together, do we do anything with the Big East schools??? I don't want to get too big for our britches by overreacting and adding a bunch of schools.

At this point, I believe the B12 lives on but who gets added (if anybody) will be extremely interesting to watch play out. I honestly do not want to go bigger than 12 myself.

 

[gocubs2118]

They better add at least one but I really want 3 new schools added.