Watching this is painful. Seriously, I'm having chest pains remembering watching this on TV when I was young. I don't think it was his fault, but man... this hurts.
Catching Hell
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good ol' steve bartman. cubs fans should just be like us royals fans and just admit we suck... haha!
Same here. I've never seen/heard some of these clips from fans in the stands. Some of the actions of these people.......pathetic. I feel really bad for him.
I feel like Cubs fans deserve to be cursed. First, you blame that game on him when Alex Gonzalez boots a ball not to mention Prior serving them up. Then you treat a fan like that for how long? That's not even considering it wasn't even a deciding game. The whole thing really is kind of sad.
I feel so bad looking at the footage of the guy. I mean you can just tell how bad he feels about something I think 90% of people would have done in the same position.
I feel so bad looking at the footage of the guy. I mean you can just tell how bad he feels about something I think 90% of people would have done in the same position.
Same thing with Don Deckenger when the Royals won the WS against the Cardinals. Guy got death threats for years over a missed call, but everyone forgets one thing. There was a still a game 7, so who's at fault for losing that game?
Every person would have done that. I would, you would, everybody would. Most fans know that the game was not lost by him, it was by the players. The fans and atmosphere in Wrigley changed, and he became a scapegoat.
Also, don't give me that "Cubs fans deserve to be cursed." If any other team with an extended drought of World Series appearances, and this happened to them. Random fan interference, outfielder acting the way he did, ridiculous errors, and allowing 8 runs in the top of the 8th. ANY fanbase would have reacted the same. Hell, even Yankee fans who win all the time would have done it. So don't say crap like that. Everybody knows it was an overreaction, and the vast majority of people know it wasn't his fault, and we feel horribly for this guy.
You realize that like only 2% of the fan base still blames him, right? I love it when people make these huge generalizations about fan bases based off of a couple idiotic fans.
I've never met a fan in the past 5 years who still blame him. I'd be willing to wager it's even less than 2%. Probably .00001%
Also, yeah, generalizations are great, aren't they?
I agree, it probably is less than 2%. I just threw that number out there because there probably are still some people who blame him. Don't know why but they do.
It's not a generalization when it actually happened throughout the whole ballpark and outside the ballpark. Have cooler heads prevailed? Sure and I would hope so but the fans were pretty bad on that night.
As someone who isn't a Cubs fan, that play undeniably changed the game.
Everyone involved from the fans to the players were waiting for some reason to **** everything up. Bartman interferes, Alou acts like a 3 year old, and that was all she wrote. They all threw in the towel like a bunch of conditioned losers.
They needed Paul Rhoads in that dug out.
I remember watching that game with some Cubs fans and not even bothering to watch Game 7. You knew they were cooked.
Everyone involved from the fans to the players were waiting for some reason to **** everything up. Bartman interferes, Alou acts like a 3 year old, and that was all she wrote. They all threw in the towel like a bunch of conditioned losers.
They needed Paul Rhoads in that dug out.
I remember watching that game with some Cubs fans and not even bothering to watch Game 7. You knew they were cooked.
I don't think there's any disputing that he was treated poorly and unfairly. But (I see you're a Mariners fan) say the Mariners were on the verge of winning their first World Series ever. Say the Steve Bartman play happened in Safeco. Can't you see something similar to that exact thing happening? No chance people would focus in on a player making an error, or a passed ball. No chance.
What I'm getting at, is you should use a generalization of all baseball fans, not just Cubs fans. Any fanbase would have made a scapegoat. It only happened to happen that time to a fanbase that has so much history and disappointment.
And they would have been no matter what fanbase it is. I frequent Cubs boards and like the above posters say almost nobody blames him anymore and they haven't for years. It's the media (ESPN in particular) that keeps bringing him up.
If that play never happened and the ball falls well foul instead, Alex Gonzales is the Cubs' Bill Buckner. A lot of bad things happened in that inning, but AGon's error was by far the worst.
I remember being 15, sitting on my couch, and after Wood hit that homerun, I was thinking we still had a chance... but deep down I knew we didn't.
