JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

[RhoadsRage]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Let the Ferentz rumors begin.

 

[benjay]

BS. He acted on the minimum information he had at the time.

I find it hard to believe that McQueary brought this information to JoePa in such a vague manner that JoePa did not know something criminal had happened. Keep up the JoePa worship though, he's obviously a stellar example of moral integrity.

 

[CyBer]

I find it hard to believe that McQueary brought this information to JoePa in such a vague manner that JoePa did not know something criminal had happened. Keep up the JoePa worship though, he's obviously a stellar example of moral integrity.

Agree with this, and also JoePa said that the guy was visibly shaken by the incident.

 

[Clonehomer]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

What I don't get is why he isn't in any legal trouble. I understand that he did the bare minimum of what the institution requires but how is it not illegal to know about this and not report it to the police?

Because it would have been hearsay evidence. The GA that told him should have been the one to go to the police. Paterno should have told him to go to the police, but it isn't a legal requirement if he was not a witness.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

I really hope that he gets booed at his final home football game this weekend. Unfortunately the PSU homers will probably just cheer him on in spite of everything staring them in the face.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Don't worry. During their bowl game, the commentators will talk about JoePa and overcoming adversity to reach this point. They'll conveniently ignore that the adversity came from his own failure to act responsibly.

If I see that I think I would puke. This whole thing is so disgusting.

 

[CycloneErik]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

If I see that I think I would puke. This whole thing is so disgusting.

I wouldn't watch the game, in that case.

I won't, but I only want to watch so many of the bowl games in general. This would be one to avoid.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Let the Ferentz rumors begin.

Yeah, as discussed in the other Ferentz to PSU thread, I think PSU will go with the cleanest, most vanilla coach they can find to prevent ANY scandal in the near future. And their wins will go down as a result and deservedly so,.

 

[CYlent Bob]

Joe Paterno was, as everyone has conceded here, given a report from a person who he trusted enough to eventually make them a position coach at Penn State telling him that Coach Sandusky did "something inappropriate" with a child in a shower on the Penn State campus.

Was he told that that "something inappropriate" was anal rape? Probably, but let's assume the subject of exactly what was observed never came up. This charge, combined with the prior 1998 investigation of the slimeball in question, seems to rise to the level where you want to bring in PROFESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS to find the truth here.

PROFESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS. Who specialize in determining if laws were broken by the subject of the investigation. Now where would you find these sorts of people? In the PSU Athletic Department Administration offices? Or at any local police station or State Trooper barracks, perhaps?

 

[FarminCy]

Exactly. Nobody knows what JoePa actually knew and the administration on Penn State is not letting him talk about it. That should say something. I get the desire and need to hang somebody for this, but I think people are incorrectly (at least for now) making Paterno that person because he is the most public figure to be connected to the story. I'm not saying that he might not be much more guilty just because he's JoePa and we didn't think he's that kind of guy, I'm just saying that it has been 5 days and we don't know the full story yet.

I don't view JoePa as the only person to string up, but I feel he should be added to the list with the AD and the business director. McQueary should be added as well. They all knew of something and passed it up the line and did nothing once it became apparent it was being covered up. To me that makes them part of the cover up as well.

To me the most inexcusable part for JoePa is that he knew something happened in his locker room and still allowed Sandusky to use the football facilities and be around the program. He is just as much of the cover up as everyone else.

 

[alarson]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Paterno issues the statement that he's resigning at the end of the season and that the board shouldnt spend any more time on him... any chance that the board of trustees there disagree and decide to end his tenure immediately?

 

[VTXCyRyD]

How can anyone say Paterno didn't do the right thing. No one here knows what McQueary told him. For all we know McQueary said that Sandusky had a kid in the shower and was screwing around with him. That sounds a lot different than Sandusky was in the show with a kid and was screwing him.

However, if the words rape, sodomy, or anything like that was used in the conversation between McQueary, his dad, and Paterno, then Joe Pa should be strung up. If that was not relayed Joe Pa did the right thing and forwarded what minimal information he was given. Also, if it was only minimal info Paterno was given, and the AD told him it was investigated and cleared why would Paterno not believe that?

 

[Enginerd]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

What will be disgusting is when JoPed gets cheered by the home crowd when he wobbles onto the field.

 

[CYlent Bob]

Exactly. Nobody knows what JoePa actually knew and the administration on Penn State is not letting him talk about it. That should say something. I get the desire and need to hang somebody for this, but I think people are incorrectly (at least for now) making Paterno that person because he is the most public figure to be connected to the story. I'm not saying that he might not be much more guilty just because he's JoePa and we didn't think he's that kind of guy, I'm just saying that it has been 5 days and we don't know the full story yet.

Five days? Not to pick nits here, but it's actually been nine freakin' years since this incident happened. And thirteen years since a similar charge was brought up. I wouldn't say that anyone is rushing to conclusions here.

 

[HILLCYD]

How can anyone say Paterno didn't do the right thing. No one here knows what McQueary told him. For all we know McQueary said that Sandusky had a kid in the shower and was screwing around with him. That sounds a lot different than Sandusky was in the show with a kid and was screwing him.

However, if the words rape, sodomy, or anything like that was used in the conversation between McQueary, his dad, and Paterno, then Joe Pa should be strung up. If that was not relayed Joe Pa did the right thing and forwarded what minimal information he was given. Also, if it was only minimal info Paterno was given, and the AD told him it was investigated and cleared why would Paterno not believe that?

Read this thread and you will find out exactly how people can say that.

The second highlighted part of your paragraph is just plain laughable.

 

[benjay]

For all we know McQueary said that Sandusky had a kid in the shower and was screwing around with him.

Would this cause a guy to be "visibly shaken" or "distraught"?

 

[CycloneErik]

How can anyone say Paterno didn't do the right thing. No one here knows what McQueary told him. For all we know McQueary said that Sandusky had a kid in the shower and was screwing around with him. That sounds a lot different than Sandusky was in the show with a kid and was screwing him.

However, if the words rape, sodomy, or anything like that was used in the conversation between McQueary, his dad, and Paterno, then Joe Pa should be strung up. If that was not relayed Joe Pa did the right thing and forwarded what minimal information he was given. Also, if it was only minimal info Paterno was given, and the AD told him it was investigated and cleared why would Paterno not believe that?

Paterno apparently said that the GA was terribly shaken up. He's kind of hinting that he at least could suspect the worst. He needed to get the GA to the police and make a report about a man already investigated for exactly this sort of thing.

The witness is there. The pattern is there. He needed to push this to an appropriate level, which is law enforcement. At that point, he failed as a man.

 

[cycloneworld]

How can anyone say Paterno didn't do the right thing. No one here knows what McQueary told him. For all we know McQueary said that Sandusky had a kid in the shower and was screwing around with him. That sounds a lot different than Sandusky was in the show with a kid and was screwing him.

However, if the words rape, sodomy, or anything like that was used in the conversation between McQueary, his dad, and Paterno, then Joe Pa should be strung up. If that was not relayed Joe Pa did the right thing and forwarded what minimal information he was given. Also, if it was only minimal info Paterno was given, and the AD told him it was investigated and cleared why would Paterno not believe that?

BS. Paterno told the grand jury that he told the AD that Sandusky had been seen "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" with a boy in the showers. So we know for a fact that Paterno should have known something really bad happened.

So let's not pretend JoePa didn't 100% know that what occured in his lockerroom. He knew the basic details of what happened and didn't do anything about it besides tell his boss.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Let the Ferentz rumors begin.

Penn State will surely want a better coach then that.

 

[CycloneJL]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Completely disagree. The athletes on this football team deserve a bowl game more than ever. They have nothing to do with this stuff about Paterno/Sandusky.
Penn State fans also deserve it for going to all these games, have you seen their stadium? They show up to games.
People that condone the actions of the athletic department are on a different level though, and I am not including them on my above response. Those people deserve the full extent of legal consequences and more.

I call BS. How is this any different than a school facing sanctions including missing postseason play for major NCAA violations? There are plenty of innocent players on those teams as well as fans who turn out to games. Certainly it is not the fault of those players or fans for the actions of their coaches/administration but punishment is punishment. I actually read one editorial today calling for the NCAA to issue the "death penalty" against Penn State.