JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

Wesley

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Sandusky had also done alot of things for the community as well. Look what he turned out to be.
Handusky played his game for twenty years....inexcusable for admin...do they not purvioew their employees...Sandman running kids orgs to be near them...crappy as it comes...reminds me of parish priests sent from congregation to congregation for coverup.
 

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AP Article

There's nothing really new in the article, but I found this interesting:

The coach defended his decision to take the news to his athletic director. Paterno said it was obvious that the graduate student was “distraught,â€￾ but said the graduate student did not tell him about the “very specific actionsâ€￾ in the grand jury report.

I think everyone needs to keep this in mind. It's not like Paterno himself witnessed what was going on, he was told by someone else who may not have told the entire story. I totally agree with everyone that says more should have been done earlier. But we don't know all the details yet, especially as to what Paterno knew or was told, so let's not jump to conclusions. That's why we have a judicial system.
 

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Blame for Penn State's Jerry Sandusky scandal falls on Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Graham Spanier, Mike McQueary - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

“As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.”

So here's my take:

He should be fired, at the very least. But not for not calling the cops the moment he heard, but for when he realized not a freaking thing was happening to Sandusky. That, IMO, is the biggest shame in all of this. At the moment he realized the person he reported the incident to was not acting, he definitely should have.
 

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They were at his house cheering for him. He came out and said a few words and talked about the Nebraska game. Really Joe Pa? Your thoughts are on the Nebraska game? Really Penn State fans? Your ok with what is going on at Pedophile State University and only concerned about the game on Saturday?

The story is sick. The lack of response at the time of the crimes is sick. The coverup for nearly the past decade is sick. What really gets me fuming ****** is that all these idiots out there only care about 1 thing.... the next game. Stay classy Penn State students and fans!

I saw that footage. Pathetic. One girl said that JoePa was like a father to many of them. Um, my dad wasn't perfect, but if one of his friends molested me, I don't think he would have merely passed the information along. I think some of dad's friends would have become eunuchs on the spot.
 

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JoePa did the minimum that was required of him as an employee. As a moral human being, he failed.

THIS !
JoePa is described as the most powerful man on campus, even more powerful than the President and the AD (whom he kicked out in 2004 when they came to his house asking to resign).
From the leadership standpoint: if JoePa was told that the GA was visibly shaken, he could at least inquire what specifically shook the GA. Taking the easy way out is not leadership. It was legal but it was not right.
 

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He should have been fired yesterday.

but who will fire him ? The President ? The AD ? They are as responsible as him in this scandal that firing him will make things ridiculous
 

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I call BS. How is this any different than a school facing sanctions including missing postseason play for major NCAA violations? There are plenty of innocent players on those teams as well as fans who turn out to games. Certainly it is not the fault of those players or fans for the actions of their coaches/administration but punishment is punishment. I actually read one editorial today calling for the NCAA to issue the "death penalty" against Penn State.

I never said it is anything different.
 

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Blame for Penn State's Jerry Sandusky scandal falls on Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Graham Spanier, Mike McQueary - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN



So here's my take:

He should be fired, at the very least. But not for not calling the cops the moment he heard, but for when he realized not a freaking thing was happening to Sandusky. That, IMO, is the biggest shame in all of this. At the moment he realized the person he reported the incident to was not acting, he definitely should have.
I agree with this, I don't fault him for not calling the police immediately, I do fault him for seemingly forgetting about the whole thing as soon as he notified his boss. And for that I think he should be shown the door before the season is over.
 

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I think everyone needs to keep this in mind. It's not like Paterno himself witnessed what was going on, he was told by someone else who may not have told the entire story. I totally agree with everyone that says more should have been done earlier. But we don't know all the details yet, especially as to what Paterno knew or was told, so let's not jump to conclusions. That's why we have a judicial system.

The fact remains that this was not the first offense with Sandusky and JoePa still allowed him to use the football facilities and be around the program until last week.

The guy had a history and according to his lawyer knew this was coming about three years ago but JoePa still let him hang around. Let alone the fact that the GA McQueary SAW what had happened in the football locker room (which JoePa let Sandusky have access to) and told his dad and neither of them stepped forward to authorities about it and now he is the wide receivers coach. This is one big giant cover up and JoePa's hands are not clean.

No one is saying JoePa broke the law but he failed as a decent human being and as a parent of boys himself.
 

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but who will fire him ? The President ? The AD ? They are as responsible as him in this scandal that firing him will make things ridiculous

The board of trustees needs to step up to the plate and do the right thing.
 

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The board of trustees needs to step up to the plate and do the right thing.

Yeah, whoever the heck is in charge of decisions right now at Penn State need to do the right thing (13 years too late). If this had been handled as it should have been, it would still be embarrassing to Penn State, but Paterno could have gone on and retired on his own terms. He missed that opportunity.
 

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You're removing the relevant context from the situation. Coach Sandusky was NOT a first offender in 2002. There were already allegations from 1998 that he was doing "sexually inappropriate" things with young boys. If JoePa wants to plead Alzheimers and say he didn't remember that prior incident in 2002, then MAYBE I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

And on behalf of the "pitchfork & torch" carrying mob: Demands for accountability are NOT the same a physically marching to JoePa's house and hanging him from the nearest tree. If you can't see that, then there's no use continuing our conversation here.

I'm sure those carrying pitchforks and torches demand accountability too. But I digress, at what point does giving JoPa the benefit of the doubt equate to worship? I'm curious.
 

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Was not Sandusky suppose to be the heir apparent one time to Jo pa?

I don't think it is a coincidence that Sandusky left PSU in 1999, shortly after the first allegations of inappropriate contact with a child.

Coincidentally, he never coached again.
 

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I don't think it is a coincidence that Sandusky left PSU in 1999, shortly after the first allegations of inappropriate contact with a child.

Coincidentally, he never coached again.

This is spot on. It's been a cover up since 98 and continued until last week. JoePa knew back in 98 and continued to look the other way even after more and more incidents.
 

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It's sad to see a man who has done so much for his institution let alone, college football, to go out on under such circumstance......I'm not sure anyone would've predicted this would be his Waterloo...
 

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JoPa has done so many good things for the university but it will all be overshadowed by what he didn't do and rightfully so.

His legacy will be forever tarnished because he probably didn't want to believe what was going on and failed to do the right thing by stopping it immediately.

A very small part of me feels bad that his career has to end like this, but then you think of the victims and you realize that he needs to be gone ASAP.
 

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I agree with this, I don't fault him for not calling the police immediately, I do fault him for seemingly forgetting about the whole thing as soon as he notified his boss. And for that I think he should be shown the door before the season is over.

Yeah, hard to feel any other way.

How does JoPa even look at Sandusky when the guy was on campus knowing what he had done, or at the very least, knew what he had been accused of not just once, but at least twice (89 and 92)? Didn't JoPa even consider asking him about the allegations? Didn't JoPa consider asking administrators about the results of their "investigation" following his reporting and seeing Sandusky still on campus?