Life without Royce...

[MIClone]

What I'd like to know is how good Royce White would be if we didn't have Fred or any other coaches. Without coaches, I doubt this team would win any conference games. I guess Fred is really making Royce look good.

 

[Kinky F]

It's funny they don't say that about Scott Drew, Bill Self, or Jim Boeheim. Hell look how mediocre Cuse has been since they lost Fab Melo? Yet you don't see the KC radio guy talking about that...

What you can't deny is that Fred is definitely growing into the head coaching spot. Look at our stats after timeouts, that doesn't lie.

Butthurt KC radio guy is butthurt.

That being said we'd probably be a little above our level of last year. Ejim has been stepping up, and has a bit of an inside game and can rebound better, but we'd be nowhere near the level we are today. I just don't see the point of hypothetically removing the best player form the team, and using that as an excuse that the coach/team is mediocre. Kansas and KSU lost at Hilton, get over it.

Syracuse has been mediocre since Melo left? I don't think so.

 

[CyCloned]

I think that you have to give Fred a lot of credit for how successful RW has been. Royce is a beast, but honestly, he has almost no range, has sometimes struggled defensively and can't shoot FTs at all. Fred has taken the problem of not having a point guard and a power forward with good ball skills and not a great shot, and somehow made it look easy to get the best of teams in the Big 12.

 

[dvmted]

I think that you have to give Fred a lot of credit for how successful RW has been. Royce is a beast, but honestly, he has almost no range, has sometimes struggled defensively and can't shoot FTs at all. Fred has taken the problem of not having a point guard and a power forward with good ball skills and not a great shot, and somehow made it look easy to get the best of teams in the Big 12.

Great point. As I recall RW left the Missouri game early and the team maintained their lead. Missouri's comeback came with RW in the game.

 

[ZeaMaize]

Heard a local radio guy this morning saying we'd be terrible without Royce and that he makes Fred look good because of his dominance. Makes you wonder how good would we be if he weren't around? Slow day at work... obviously.

I'd put us near an OSU level... around 7-8 wins in the B12 and a little over .500 overall. That sounds like not giving enough credit to the other guys. I bet Booker would step in and take over some of that production. Same with Ejim.

" that he makes Fred look good because of his dominance"


They guy probabaly didn't consider that Royce is as good as he is now because of his coach!!

 

[DMICyclone]

How good would the 2000 team be without Fizer?

This is a stupid argument.

 

[kingcy]

The guy before Fred had 3 guys that have played in the NBA and 1 more that still might. How did that work out for him at ISU.

I will say this Fred has came a long ways from where he was as a coach 2 months ago.

But yes if you give the best coach in the world crap players he wont win games. If you give an average coach good players his teams will underacheive. It takes both coaching and players to win.

 

[CloneFan65]

" that he makes Fred look good because of his dominance"


They guy probabaly didn't consider that Royce is as good as he is now because of his coach!!

Agreed. Fred has done an outstanding job. On paper this team has no business being 6-3 in conference with no low post presence and no point guard.

 

[LegendofRodA]

Sad part is this guy was probably one of those who said Fred was making a mistake for taking a chance on Royce when he recruited him here.

Now Royce makes him look like a good coach? Get real buddy. I suppose the T-Wolves felt sorry for him that his playing career ended so abruptly that they decided to just offer him a front office job.