Referees
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Where did I say anything about the REFs costing us the game!???? Did you even read this or just see the word Referee and immediately fire off your elegant prose? My god there were tons of responses in this thread and even the one RIGHT before you posted I said I didnt think the refs cost us the game and it wasnt my intention. How about you read something before you just go ahead and fire something off.
There I feel better now:spinny:
What you see watching on TV a referee doesn't necessarily have the angle to see, hence why there are three zebras on the floor. Do some calls get missed? Absolutely. Is all contact a foul? Absolutely not. (I didn't see the call in question for the record).
I didn't see the play but I'm a little surprised people are ******** about a call the refs got RIGHT because the person who called it wasn't who they expected to call it.
Officials have very specific areas of the court they are responsible for covering. However, in college officiating mechanics, if a drive starts at the top of the key the trail (you refer to him as the outside official) takes the drive all the way to the hole. In other words if the drive starts in front of the trail official and ends in a block charge right in front of the lead official, it is still the trail official's call.
High school mechanics are slightly different. The call goes to the official the play is moving toward. Some might say that makes more sense but I suppose you would have to ask someone who works both high school and college which they prefer and why.
Haha. You apparently can't read or understand satire bc according to your avatar your poor white trash that is stuck in Vietnam. Stop being so angry and trying to blame everyone else for the clones not knocking down shots.
I will start by saying the refs did not cost us this game but there are a couple calls that were absolutely the wrong call.
To the Original post are you talking about the SHOT CLOCK VIOLATION in the first half where Acy Tackled McGee as our player catches the ball underneath? The Baylor shooter shoots a "PUNT" with the shot clock about to run out. (I know it sounds weird, how do you think I feel describing it that way, but it is really hard to describe that shot as anything else). The Shot clock goes off as the ball is in flight and you can see the players on the floor think the shot is short because players from BOTH teams are slowing up. Well all the players except for Quincy "I need to lets these scouts know I can play football in case this Basketball thing doesn't work out" Acy. I want to say Acy wasn't paying attention, but that was evident to anyone watching the game. Anyway Tyrus looks at him like what the heck happened, the Officials probably thought they were seeing things, so they stuck with the Shot Clock Violation, no foul.
Funny that Acy was involved in that play, cause Acy was involved in a play earlier in the 1st half that I am sure you remember if not just ask Anthony Booker about it. You guys know the one I am talking about. Shot goes up, Booker has good rebounding position. He is boxing out Quincy "I'm gonna give you a Steve Urkel makeover" Acy. So after Acy pulls Anthony's shorts up to his shoulders, Anthony Yells if you are gonna go 90's it better be Tiger Style Punk and shoved him. The whole confrontation after that was Anthony trying to "Basketball Whisper" Acy.
Booker said,
"And if you want beef, then bring the ruckus
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuttin ta **** with
Straight from the mother ******* slums that's busted
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuttin ta **** with"
The same as any of us would have done, Acy is to dense to be basketball whispered tho, as kept crying all night.
There needs to be some accountability. Make the refs review their work or something. Make them justify their calls.
Thank you for bringing that up I forgot another one. Speaking of review their work. There was a no call late in the game that definately should be reviewed. In fact it would have been a perfect time for the Announcers, that were clearly unprepared, to show a replay and explain something to the fans.
Percy Gibson drives from baseline left to the hoop, Baylor player slides over with one foot 1', ironically, inside the restricted area. Percy does run him over, but any player inside the restricted area, set or otherwise, get a blocking foul called against them. That should have been an And 1. During this play the ref on baseline has a clear view and all 8 other players were on the perimeter. There was no excuse for the "play on" as he called. He was looking right at it.
Why do the refs struggle with this call? It is rule book it isn't a judgement. Either the Defensive player is on or inside the semi-circle or he isn't. Don't know if there needs to be teaching on this or what.
Edit - Current NBA Refs don't struggle with the call at all. In fact they get it right almost everytime
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Full Disclosure. I happen to like the restricted-area. I appreciate what the area is intended to do. With that said. I would almost rather have it removed because NCAA refs gets this call wrong way way too much. On top of that most announcers either can't or won't comment on/ show replays of this call which only works to compound the problem.
You are wrong. The semi-circle applies only to secondary defenders. A 1-on-1 run-over or a shoulder-lowered push-off by the offensive player is still a charge.
Whether you like it or not, the refs know more than you. Get over it.
I'm going to say this for about the 100th time. College officials are scrutinized on a level way beyond anything you will be scrutinized on in your life. Every call is reviewed, and guess what? Whether fans like it or not, they are usually right.
Officials answer to their supervisors. They do not, and should not have to, answer to message board idiots.
Its not like they didnt know that they were going to get scutinized before they signed up to ref. Listen, basketball officiating has been the worst this year than most years. I mean look at the west virginia syracuse game. That guy cost a team a chance to win. There is also little relevance to the difference between number of team fouls and how good the officiating was. Just because baylor and isu had the same amount of fouls doesnt mean that was a well officiated game. IMO, it was a terrible officated game. There were a handful of times that our bigs would go up and get mugged with the body and no whistle. It seems like isu never gets any breaks, and no the ksu wasnt a break because Mcgruder wasnt fouled and royce didnt travel. Im not saying they are costing us games but Im sick of them affecting the games. Good officials go unnoticed and it seems like most of these guys want everyone to know that they are there.
Prefer collegiate and it isn't even close, especially if I'm working with a crew I'm not 100% familiar with. The transition from one official to the other can lead to a missed call because I assume my partner started watching when the driving player reached the elbow and my partner didn't start until they were 8' away and we missed a hold/reach.
Um, there is. They conference call the conference office and review tapes occasionally. Again, what you see on TV is not what is necessarily seen by them live. You also have the benefit of seeing the call 4 different times from different angles on replays. You don't have to make a split second decision whether to blow your whistle or not.
I'm just going to leave it at this: You're wrong.
This.
No it hasn't. It's been the exact same it has been every other year. Missed calls happen and have been happening as long as there have been officials.
Your point on fouls being equal however is accurate. The problem with what you're saying is that we're going to throw up more threes than our opponents most of the time and take less highly contested shots in the lane (thereby decreasing the amount of fouls we call). However, you're flat out wrong, the game was well officiated. The officials were consistent from start to finish. Just because there is body contact does NOT mean there is a foul. Our guys (looking at Ejim and Royce) have a tendency to jump into a defender who is jumping straight up in the air which isn't a foul. There is body contact but the defender has established initial legal guarding position, giving them the right to the space they're occupying as well as verticality.
And of course you think Iowa State never gets calls. Every official is out to get Iowa State. It isn't like you're biased or anything. Every game both teams get away with some and they get jobbed on others.
only a couple of pet peeves for me.
1. I fully understand not seeing a foul and no call. i DO NOT understand no foul and 'seeing' one. It should not be a guess or assumption. It should not be, oh he fell down , i didnt see, but it musta been a foul.
2. I do not understand this thing by fans that say call it 'equally' . Just call it, the fouls will be what they are! the only thing that can be complained about on a disparity is if an official did it on purpose. And while i know it might happen, i imagine RARE!
This is a classic example of someone assuming that college referees do nothing but show up and call the game. I know many college refs and everyone of them is reviewing tape after every game. They take their practice very seriously and work to get better all the time. These officials are going to clinics in the Spring and Summer as well.
Officiating is a tough gig. No matter how well you do, people will think you are terrible. Most of the time it's because 90% of fans don't know the rules.
Rather than people running their mouths about "the lack of accountability" or "how bad the refs are", try putting the stripes on yourself and work a varsity basketball game at the high school level. Then you may have a better understanding of what it's like in those shoes.
Cy25, PM me and let me know where you live. I will put you in touch with your local officials association. Maybe you don't want to bother with that route, however, because clearly your experience watching games on television means you could skip working your way up and just buy a uniform, step out on the court and do a better job than any D-I official without any training.
Has any coach coached a perfect game? No.
Has any player played a perfect game? No.
Has any official called a perfect game? No.
I think the refs have sucked really bad this year both ways. Except against KU then everyone gets jobbed for some reason. However, the inconsistant reffing this year and last has been horrible. They call it even. It's just that they call it evenly bad. It also seems like they call certain things one way and not the other. I hate it.
What I've seen a lot this year is our big guys driving in out-of-control and bowling over defenders who are standing there straight up. What is ridiculous about that, people?
And 90% of those calls have been correct. This is another case where people need to know the rules before they *****.
