Apple vs. Google

[Clonehomer]

You serious Clark?Apple has done their fair share of theft as well. Voice commands (siri), status bar pull downs, hell the maps program looked pretty familiar as well. I would love for Samsung to grow a pair and just stop selling Apple their chipsets. Apple is just ****** that their phones are a generation behind. The only thing that is being released in ios6 that isn't on android already is passport. But of coarse it is Google that's stealing from Apple.

This is hilarious. Google completely ripped off their Android design from the iPhone. Voice commands? Apple bought Siri which existed long before Google dreamed of using it. Tey also partnered with Nuance to incorporate that feature long before Google dreamed of it. As for Samsung...they know which side of the bread is buttered and they can't afford to drop Apple. If they did Apple would take their business to someone else and completely change the market. Finally...the iPhone is a generation behind? What in the world is this based on?

Android has had voice commands since at least Froyo (4 versions back). I had it available for my Eris.

The IPhone is a generation behind in their processors and the fact that they still don't have a 4G phone. Android is releasing their second generation of 4G phones now.

 

[bos]

The lawsuits against various Android phones are a completely predictable move on the part of Apple. Awhile back in another thread, I posted some financial links regarding the US cell phone companies. For several months now, Wall Street has been telling US cell phone companies that their model of heavy subsidies for smart phones is not financially viable in the long term. The iPhone is the most heavily subsidized smart phone.

Several European cell companies have cut all subsidies for smart phones. In the European countries where this has happened, Android rules, and iPhone has minuscule market share (about 5%), because Apple has no low to mid-priced smart phones, while Android does. Likely, a similar thing would happen in the US if smart phone subsidies are cut.

Apple needs Android to be gone, so that there are no viable low-cost smart phone options should the US cell phone companies decide to cut subsidies. Apple is betting that the cell phone companies would rather pay subsidies to Apple for the iPhone than have large numbers of customers buy/drop data plans because they can't afford smart phones. And it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Microsoft supporting the Apple lawsuit behind the scenes, since with Android gone, the Windows phone would pick up some market share.

Until these lawsuits are settled, the cell phone companies probably won't make a decision on the subsidies, and Apple can keep stockpiling the subsidy cash.

Some of those android smart phone are pretty damn expensive outside of the subsidy. The low cost ones scare me. If people really want to save money, get a flip phone. We seem to forget that data access and smart phones are a luxury. Cell companies are the bad guys in this market, not the cell manufacturers. As for the lawsuits, all of the companies are doing it every day. Its how they feel they can get an edge on each other. Its annoying and in the end the consumer loses.

 

[bos]

Android has had voice commands since at least Froyo (4 versions back). I had it available for my Eris.

The IPhone is a generation behind in their processors and the fact that they still don't have a 4G phone. Android is releasing their second generation of 4G phones now.

Yeah google had it, but honestly it isnt a great interface. I use it a couple of times a week but am a bit envious of my wifes Siri. As for the processors, i dont really care. Each OS has different needs and works differently on the processors. Much like the pc sector. OSX works very very fast on the i series processors while some PC's struggle with Windows a bit. Its all about efficiency.

 

[dmclone]

They both have both good and bad products/services.

I like Gmail, Google Voice, Google talk, search, google maps, google earth, google drive, android, Google Finance, Picasa. On the other hand, Google+ has been disappointing.

I like the Ipad and all their Ipods. I think Itunes is junk. I think the Iphone was great a long time ago but below average now. I think the laptops are great but WAY overpriced.

 

[bos]

The majority of the population however will never be able to afford a $1,500 MacBook versus a $400 el cheapo laptop.

I see Apple filling a niche market (albeit a large one), not taking over completely.

I agree. It just seems like its growing very well.

 

[bos]

They both have both good and bad products/services.

I like Gmail, Google Voice, Google talk, search, google maps, google earth, google drive, android, Google Finance, Picasa. On the other hand, Google+ has been disappointing.

I like the Ipad and all their Ipods. I think Itunes is junk. I think the Iphone was great a long time ago but below average now. I think the laptops are great but WAY overpriced.

Was surprised we havent seen a revamped Itunes so far at the WWDC. Or at least mentioned. They have been improving quite a bit over the years, but it stills drags quite a bit when you are using itunes match and you open the app. While it syncs it locks up the computer a bit.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

The majority of the population however will never be able to afford a $1,500 MacBook versus a $400 el cheapo laptop.

I see Apple filling a niche market (albeit a large one), not taking over completely.

You'd think so, but the reality has been the exact opposite; more people are purchasing macbooks relative to "cheaper" laptops. I'm sure a lot of it is due to trendiness/hype, but I honestly do think that many people are willing to pay a higher up-front cost for a better product with more durable hardware (self-included). Plus, Apple, like most companies, engages in price discrimination and bundling to increase demand among certain demographics; there's a reason that it's best to buy right before the school year begins.

Given that the future is in mobile devices, though, arguing about laptops is about like debating whether you can get a better salad at McDonald's or Burger King.

 

[Clonehomer]

Android has had voice commands since at least Froyo (4 versions back). I had it available for my Eris.The IPhone is a generation behind in their processors and the fact that they still don't have a 4G phone. Android is releasing their second generation of 4G phones now.

Yeah google had it, but honestly it isnt a great interface. I use it a couple of times a week but am a bit envious of my wifes Siri. As for the processors, i dont really care. Each OS has different needs and works differently on the processors. Much like the pc sector. OSX works very very fast on the i series processors while some PC's struggle with Windows a bit. Its all about efficiency.

But if you ask any apple fanboy, they claim that Google is stealing Siri from ios. The truth is that many of the "revolutionary" features were on android first. All apple did was polish them and release it as their own.

The constant lawsuits are going to continue on both sides. Most consumers don't know or don't care about this. What gets consumers upset is that Apple tries to restrict the sale of android products which delays the release of new phones. That's when people take note.

 

[jbhtexas]

Some of those android smart phone are pretty damn expensive outside of the subsidy. The low cost ones scare me. If people really want to save money, get a flip phone. We seem to forget that data access and smart phones are a luxury.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. The issue I was adressing was that outside of subsidies, Android has low-cost smart phone options, and Apple doesn't. This isn't good news for Apple if subsidies are dropped. If the low cost smart phones scare you, then you are more than welcome to spend $600+ for a high-end one.

Yes, data and smart phones are a luxury, but what is wrong with having low-cost options? The phone subsidies raise cost for everybody through higher voice/data rates. I like the Euro model in this case. No subsidies for phones, and no long-term contracts (month-to-month plans).

 

[bos]

But if you ask any apple fanboy, they claim that Google is stealing Siri from ios. The truth is that many of the "revolutionary" features were on android first. All apple did was polish them and release it as their own.

The constant lawsuits are going to continue on both sides. Most consumers don't know or don't care about this. What gets consumers upset is that Apple tries to restrict the sale of android products which delays the release of new phones. That's when people take note.

Oh I know. The typical apple fanboy just likes the product and doesnt really know anything about the nuts and bolts or the business behind it. Apple is very strategic and agressive with their business, thats why they are on top financially. It may be uncouth to you and I but businesses do this all of the time to each other. Its sick, but it happens.

 

[bos]

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. The issue I was adressing was that outside of subsidies, Android has low-cost smart phone options, and Apple doesn't. This isn't good news for Apple if subsidies are dropped. If the low cost smart phones scare you, then you are more than welcome to spend $600+ for a high-end one.

Yes, data and smart phones are a luxury, but what is wrong with having low-cost options? The phone subsidies raise cost for everybody through higher voice/data rates. I like the Euro model in this case. No subsidies for phones, and no long-term contracts (month-to-month plans).

Subsidies are going to go away, its a matter of time before all companies do it. How long do you think the low cost android smart phones will be around?

 

[jbhtexas]

That depends if they are actually subsidies to the degree they claim they are.

Since the cell providers are generally public companies, I would guess that the financial analysts can get pretty accurate numbers from looking at the filed financial reports.

 

[benjay]

mp3 players existed before the ipod, smart phones existed before the iphone, and voice activation existed before siri. I still don't get the google ripoff claims since everything apple makes money on is also a stolen product.

 

[dmclone]

You'd think so, but the reality has been the exact opposite; more people are purchasing macbooks relative to "cheaper" laptops.

I don't believe that Apple has even a 1/4 of the laptop market.

 

[jbhtexas]

Subsidies are going to go away, its a matter of time before all companies do it. How long do you think the low cost android smart phones will be around?

If subsidies go away, I would think the bottom end price is going to come up. Given what the article below says, the low end android would probably be around $200...

IPhone's Crutch of Subsidies - WSJ.com

 

[DistrictCyclone]

I don't believe that Apple has even a 1/4 of the laptop market.

I don't think any one company has over 1/4 of the market. The last I read was that apple, hp, and dell were about even, and apple was growing the fastest of anyone.

It's anecdotal, but walk into a college library and I'll bet you see more macbooks than anything.

 

[bos]

I don't think any one company has over 1/4 of the market. The last I read was that apple, hp, and dell were about even, and apple was growing the fastest of anyone.

It's anecdotal, but walk into a college library and I'll bet you see more macbooks than anything.

I noticed that tv shows have them everywhere too. I know thats a purchased marketing thing, but I remember back when gateway and HP were seen everywhere on tv.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

I noticed that tv shows have them everywhere too. I know thats a purchased marketing thing, but I remember back when gateway and HP were seen everywhere on tv.

Oh for sure--their product placement is ridiculous.

 

[bos]

If subsidies go away, I would think the bottom end price is going to come up. Given what the article below says, the low end android would probably be around $200...

IPhone's Crutch of Subsidies - WSJ.com

Its an interesting deal for sure. I would think if Apple needed to, it would sell a cheaper version. Or at least really reduce the last version or two to compete. Apple is aggressively investing in China right now. If China jumps on board, it could get interesting.

 

[Clonehomer]

I don't believe that Apple has even a 1/4 of the laptop market.

I don't think any one company has over 1/4 of the market. The last I read was that apple, hp, and dell were about even, and apple was growing the fastest of anyone.It's anecdotal, but walk into a college library and I'll bet you see more macbooks than anything.

When you're not paying for it then it makes the choice pretty simple. See all the threads about student loans and paying them back.

I agree that apple currently has the upper hand in laptops right now. Aside from the high end business class, there aren't many windows based products with great build quality. Now that technology advances seem to be slowing down for laptops it is easier to justify keeping one for more than 3-4 years. Also, the crap that is Windows 8 will only help Apple until people migrate to Linux.