NBA: Should LeBron James be compared to Michael Jordan?

Should he be compared to MJ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 80 63.5%
  • I don't care.

    Votes: 25 19.8%

  • Total voters
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ty4cy90

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I don't believe I've said that his roster is weak, just pointed out that without a healthy Wade, it probably isn't the best roster in the league. Teams are literally playing off him like he was Tony Allen.

And the Spurs can overcome Paker having an off game when two role players combine for 50 points and a crazy shooting night. I don't care how well James, Wade, or anyone else plays if Green and Neal continue to make 13 out of 19 threes a game it isn't going to matter.

I would counter that with if the heat continue to play poor defense and give open looks to shooters, then yes, it isn't going to matter.
 

Jordanj6502

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Michael Jordan is the greatest defensive shooting guard, and the greatest offensive player of all time. I can quote stats, but if you have seen him play, you know it is true.
 
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HFCS

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If you're the best player on the planet right now, you need to be a ballhog when you're team is throwing the series.

To phrase it another way, if you're 6-0 in NBA finals and average 4 more points per game in the playoffs than anyone else to ever play the game...maybe you actually mean "GOAT" when you say ball hog.
 

CyJack13

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The Sonics team featured Payton and Kemp in their prime and another all star in Schrempf. They would have beat a young OKC team.

They also had George Karl coaching them, and you all know his playoff track record.
 

CyJack13

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I finally figured you out.
9k=

Probably should have worked on just figuring out how to post pictures first.
 

CycloneErik

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Wade has disappeared. Ray Allen hasn't done much of anything. Bosh should still be in his prime but he is making nothing. Chalmers has been a liability for most of this series. Cole has been alright. Battier hasn't even played much. When Mike Miller is you second best performer you are going to be in trouble. On paper that roster should win. In practice that roster has sucked for a lot of the playoffs. We are looking at a shell of a lot of those guys, much like what LeBron had to work with in Cleveland.


Yes we are. Might as well add Shaq to the team and say that he has a HOF Center laying with him. LeBron would have that, but not at the level that made Shaq so dominant.
 

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Michael Jordan is the greatest defensive shooting guard, and the greatest offensive player of all time. I can quote stats, but if you have seen him play, you know it is true.


Funny, I'm sure the people who watched Wilt play say the same thing.

Jordan is the greatest 2 guard of all time though (both offensively and defensively). Not even sure who the second place guy is, that's how far above the competition he is at that spot.
 

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Funny, I'm sure the people who watched Wilt play say the same thing.

Jordan is the greatest 2 guard of all time though (both offensively and defensively). Not even sure who the second place guy is, that's how far above the competition he is at that spot.

I think it has to be Kobe and he isn't MJ but he's as close as I think we will see.
 

klamath632

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You do realize that it's possible to compare dissimilar objects, right? I could compare LeBron James to a lemon juicer if I wanted to. Your question is confusing.

Of course you could, but why would you? One of them is a lemon juicer... the other is just a lemon.
 

jdoggivjc

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My take on Bulls rosters is that Jordan's first three the roster really weren't that great (minus MJ of course) compared to most other title teams. Pippen was good by then but not as dominant as many of these players we're talking about. The 3rd best player on those first three teams had never made an all star team and by the end of those titles Pippen had two All Star appearances. I can't see how someone can say Jordan had more help in those three championships than LeBron has right now with a straight face. If they're saying that, they're probably just too young to know. More help than LeBron in Cleveland? Clearly.

The second 3peat teams were truly loaded though. Pippen was now in his prime, Rodman was a great defensive specialist. People forget that Harper was a very solid player and an elite defender in the league as well. The perimeter defense of Harper-Jordan-Pippen is easily better than anything else I've ever seen, zero weakness. Harper-Jordan-Pippen-Rodman-18 7 footer fouls at center is the best defensive lineup of all time in the playoffs when it mattered. You had freakish strength, athleticism, length, instincts and size at 4 of the five positions. It's not a coincidence they had the winningest season ever with this lineup.

This link may help a youngster here better understand the actual lineups:
Michael Jordan Teammates in the Championship Years

People forget the one full year of Michael Jordan's hiatus (1993-94), the Bulls still won 55 games and pushed the Knicks, the team that would ultimately play in the Finals, to 7 games in the second round. But yeah, it was just Jordan, Pippen, and a bunch of scrubs...
 

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Exactly, take Jordan off the bulls and they win 55 games. Take LeBron off the cavs and... well it's ugly.
 

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People forget the one full year of Michael Jordan's hiatus (1993-94), the Bulls still won 55 games and pushed the Knicks, the team that would ultimately play in the Finals, to 7 games in the second round. But yeah, it was just Jordan, Pippen, and a bunch of scrubs...

ruh roh
 

Rabbuk

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If you took Lebron off the Heat, I think they could still win 45+ games.
 

HFCS

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Funny, I'm sure the people who watched Wilt play say the same thing.

Playoff scoring

Wilt: 13 playoffs seasons, 22.5 ppg, highest 5 playoff scoring seasons were 37, 35, 35, 33, 29

MJ: 13 playoff seasons, 33.4 ppg, highest 5 playoff scoring seasons were 44, 37, 36, 36, 35

In the regular season they both finished exactly 30.1 career because of some lower scoring late seasons. MJ's career scoring goes up in the playoffs and Wilt's go down.
 
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HFCS

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Exactly, take Jordan off the bulls and they win 55 games. Take LeBron off the cavs and... well it's ugly.

The second three would have still been very dangerous teams with Pippen, Rodman and Harper as the core, the first two title teams would not have been very dangerous at all without MJ. Third title team and the baseball years somewhere in between.

2011 Heat should have been awesome without LeBron. Wade had the sixth highest PER NBA finals of all time. I have no idea why we talk about this now. It made sense when LeBron was in Cleveland with low talent and a poor organization. The Heat are and have been loaded and have been run well for quite some time.
 

CyJack13

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If you took Lebron off the Heat, I think they could still win 45+ games.

In the East this year, I think they could win 50+ without LeBron. They would still have a very solid team, they would look a lot different, but they would still be in the race for number one seed in the East.
 

jdoggivjc

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If you're the best player on the planet right now, you need to be a ballhog when you're team is throwing the series.

It has been mentioned during the broadcasters that when James has to go into ballhog mode, i.e., putting up 40+ points, the Heat are in trouble. Not because James isn't capable of doing it, but it means his teammates are doing nothing and James going above and beyond the call of duty may not be enough to save them.