Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

isustrong

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Until Sam Richardson is 100% you can't evaluate the offensive coordinator. Our playcalling wasn't great yesterday but it wasn't as bad as it's made out to be. When you take away Sam's ability to run and he throws extremely poorly for the first 50 minutes of a game (sans the TD ball to Bundrage) there isn't an offense out there which can solve that. Somehow every other team in the conference finds a quarterback who can deliver a ball within 5 yards of the LOS on the receiver's numbers 70%+ of the time. Our receivers catching the screen passes are jumping, falling to their knees, falling back, etc. most of the time and that extra second is turning a 4 yard gain into no gain or a loss. We run a receiver on a shallow cross who is torching a linebacker and then gets caught from behind because the throw isn't out in front of him and a play that was going to go for 15+ is now a 3 yard gain.We missed a LOT of open receivers yesterday and I can count on 1 hand how many balls were delivered where they needed to be to get more than just a catch. Once that changes the offense will magically fix itself. Yesterday wasn't a problem with receivers getting separation. We overthrew a bunch of open receivers down the field.You can evaluate that we have struck out recruiting quarterbacks for a few years but that's a reflection upon the whole staff so that doesn't bode well for Coach Rhoads.To a post a few above, what offense has proven successful long term at Iowa State? There isn't one. No matter what offense you run you have to recruit well for it. We don't recruit well for any kind of offense. We play a soft defense because we can't recruit well enough to play in your face without getting burned constantly. I'm trying to think of a team that was good but had garbage for talent and was "coached up" to another level. You can coach up talent but a dumpster fire is a dumpster fire no matter how hard you try to coach it up.
If Richardson is not 100% why not play Grant you hear good things about him why not play him. You could have given Richardson some more time to heal.
 

isustrong

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I don't think he's just now realizing, I think he though Mess would be much improved this season, similar to how he improved last season. I think he though bringing in Coach K would greatly help our running game, and it hasn't yet. Now he has to decide if he wants to make a change now or wait until the end of the season. It's possible he wants to wait until the end of the season to see what potential OC's are available to hire.
What if they do wait untill the end of the year, everything that has been gained could be lost, recruits and season ticket holders etc. I would like to think ther are some retired oc's out there that would be willing to come back for a season and fix some of this mess were in.
 

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Do you not remember what happened last game when we tried long field goals?

That's as bad as the guy who was complaining that we had our WRs run deep routes on third and a mile.

In Arceo's defense...he started pretty shaky last year but was actually very good, especially on long fg's after the initial troubles.
 

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Our offensive line is absolutely awful in run blocking but doing a very solid job in pass protection...Bruns also said as much last night. The vast majority of the sacks we take are because Sam needs to develop his internal clock. When he's injured it doesn't matter much however because he isn't a threat to run. Hopefully that develops in time.

We desperately need Sam healthy and able to play out of his mind. Until that happens we're in trouble. He's taken the majority of the snaps in 5 games and we're 1-4. We have to get the completion percentage up in the 65-70% range as it was against UNI every game. Probably 70%+ of our passes are within 5 yards of the LOS...we should be completing damn near all of them. Receiver screens can be effective but they need to be delivered on the numbers. We aren't going to bust them all loose but we should average 5 yards per attempt and should never take a 4 yard loss on one.

Receivers have been better this year on the talent front but they have to do a better job mentally. On third and six you can't run a 5 yard route. Watch Fiedorowitz....on third down he runs past the sticks and comes back to the ball.

Running backs are screwed until the offensive line decides to stop run blocking like the girl scouts.
 

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Who better to mentor a young qb than a 10 year NFL vet like Rosenfels? Why not bring him in, probably already more qualified than some of the other coaches.
 

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I mean Loney is an asst Ol coach at Tampa bay? Not the head OL coach bit an asst OL coach. I mean come on, get back to Isu where you belong already. Didn't realize he took the HC job at Drake in 2007 for one year, strange move. His roots are ISU and the best OL's we ever had where under Loney. I think we do have some very good young talent at the OL, Lalk, big dog and Campos are all going to be really good OL


He did the drake thing as a favor to the ad at drake. He was still getting paid by an nfl team and couldn't take a real job that year.

I highly doubt he would ever come back to ISU while Pollard is still at ISU. I'm guessing he's pretty close to retiring.
 

scyclonekid

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Would like to see sage on the staff. Played in the nfl for what ten years? Hoiberg had no coaching experience, but played the game at the highest level which is priceless experience to have if ever wanting to coach. IMO sage fits that bill, not saying head coach but on the staff, qb coach or oc. Right now I think sturdy or kleinakis could possibly do a better job than mess. As far as Rhoads mixed signals, I am sure he is ****** off at the offense as he should be, but not anticipating any coordinator changes.
 

scyclonekid

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I think the defense has done ok, they just need to not play most of the game. As the year goes along they will get better.
 

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Serious question. Why the faith in 2014? Take yourself back to 2011 or even 2010 and then try to remember what you would have expected for this program by 2013. Go back and read the recruiting threads from those days about all the stud linemen we were recruiting and developing. This is year freaking five of this administration. The trajectory is horrible (2 for our last 10, haven't won at home for almost a year). Unless I see something that resembles a pulse this year, I will begin to seriously question this head coach. I'm done with the Koolaid. They need to get this fixed now or this program takes a huge step back. We keep this crap up and we'll be luck to fill the stands between the 20s. I would love to be a fly on the wall in JP's office this week. The AD has done a wonderful job marketing this program, fighting for facilities and improvement and keeping us in a power conference. Coaches and players have done a terrible job holding up their end of the bargain.

You were responding to my post, and you ask a fair question. Why do I have confidence in 2014? Short answer is....I don't. But I am an Iowa State fan and always will be, I have to have some hope, and quite candidly that is all I have right now, that 2014 can be better and that these players will get better. I have seen enough of this offense over the last couple years to know it isn't getting better this year, not consistently anyway. I have to hope that these players and coaches can get better, that they are young, and that the redshirt and incoming guys are better. That is all I have after watching 4 disgusting performances in a row from West Virginia on. I still cannot belevie we wasted a defense with 2 NFL linebackers because we can't score 20 points a game, it is beyond upsetting.

I was at the Drake game in 1985 when Drake came into then Cyclone Stadium and beat Iowa State. Some of these things happening now were not even thinkable then or even 5 or 6 years ago. In fairness to PR, I have seen some things here since he came I never thought possible. Physical, fast, agressive defenses, wins over ann elite type of team, competiveness with Nebraksa and Iowa and Texas. Those things did happen, I hate to throw him out because he made one really poor hire. Plus he has a long term deal, I don't think it makes sense to eat 8 or 9 years of a contract, when what really is wrong is the damn offense. I also am of the opinion if PR can't get it done, it could be the end of ISU football in the Big 12, and before long we are welcoming in the Rice Owls, UAB Blazers, and Memphis Tigers instead of OU and Texas.

You are correct, the trajectory is horrible and he has to get this fixed soon, the future of the program depends upon it, but I can't see how winning 1 game or 2 games in 2013 makes a difference. It all comes down to 2014 and 2015...and all I have is hope.
 

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Who better to mentor a young qb than a 10 year NFL vet like Rosenfels? Why not bring him in, probably already more qualified than some of the other coaches.

I would normally think that was crazy, but if you are going to be a successful OC with a team that does not have top talent you have to be innovative, if not a bit of a mad scientist. Those guys tend to be young and unconventional. Maybe the Mayor hire has clouded my reason.
 

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the head coach needs to make the decision he is paid to make.....change the oc and qb-----anybody with any football knowledge at all can see this.
 

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What if they do wait untill the end of the year, everything that has been gained could be lost, recruits and season ticket holders etc. I would like to think ther are some retired oc's out there that would be willing to come back for a season and fix some of this mess were in.

If he does make a change I highly doubt he'll bring someone in. Just doesn't seem like Rhoads to bring in a completely new coach in the middle of the season. If someone besides Mess is calling the plays my guess is it will be either Kleankis or Sturdy.
 

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Who better to mentor a young qb than a 10 year NFL vet like Rosenfels? Why not bring him in, probably already more qualified than some of the other coaches.
its obviously too early to tell but Kingsbury seems to be doing some good things at TT. Sage with PRs support would make me happy.
 

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if you are going to make an OC change, now is the time. You have extra time to prepare with the new OC before you go to Tulsa. You would probably go with Sturdy or Coach K, maybe bring in Sage to help QB mentoring since there would be a coach position open.

I know a few were with me on here when Mess was announced as OC. If was capable of doing a great job, why let Herman coach the bowl game? We seem progressively worse results the longer Mess has been the OC, something needs to change ASAP.
 

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He may have ironed out some problems kicking pats but it still drives me nuts that he can't get inside the 5 on kick offs. I haven't seen any other division 1 kickers with this problem.
 

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He may have ironed out some problems kicking pats but it still drives me nuts that he can't get inside the 5 on kick offs. I haven't seen any other division 1 kickers with this problem.
Yeah, the kickoffs are almost always in the end zone for FCS teams.
 

norcalcy

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You were responding to my post, and you ask a fair question. Why do I have confidence in 2014? Short answer is....I don't. But I am an Iowa State fan and always will be, I have to have some hope, and quite candidly that is all I have right now, that 2014 can be better and that these players will get better. I have seen enough of this offense over the last couple years to know it isn't getting better this year, not consistently anyway. I have to hope that these players and coaches can get better, that they are young, and that the redshirt and incoming guys are better. That is all I have after watching 4 disgusting performances in a row from West Virginia on. I still cannot belevie we wasted a defense with 2 NFL linebackers because we can't score 20 points a game, it is beyond upsetting.

I was at the Drake game in 1985 when Drake came into then Cyclone Stadium and beat Iowa State. Some of these things happening now were not even thinkable then or even 5 or 6 years ago. In fairness to PR, I have seen some things here since he came I never thought possible. Physical, fast, agressive defenses, wins over ann elite type of team, competiveness with Nebraksa and Iowa and Texas. Those things did happen, I hate to throw him out because he made one really poor hire. Plus he has a long term deal, I don't think it makes sense to eat 8 or 9 years of a contract, when what really is wrong is the damn offense. I also am of the opinion if PR can't get it done, it could be the end of ISU football in the Big 12, and before long we are welcoming in the Rice Owls, UAB Blazers, and Memphis Tigers instead of OU and Texas.

You are correct, the trajectory is horrible and he has to get this fixed soon, the future of the program depends upon it, but I can't see how winning 1 game or 2 games in 2013 makes a difference. It all comes down to 2014 and 2015...and all I have is hope.

I can see you have as many Cyclone scars as I do! I admire your hope. I really do. As a student, I sat through debacles in the late 70's and early 80's as we gave away the progress of the Majors/Bruce era and descended into a decade and a half of darkness. Conversely, I was in Lincoln in 2009 when we pulled off the miracle. I thought OK St. in 2011 expunged a whole century's worth of demons. Texas in 2010 was icing on the cake. What has me concerned is the ease with which we seem to accept our inevitable fate. I desperately want to believe these coaches are doing everything they can to turn this around. What bothers me is the fashion in which this program has come out these last two HOME games and crapped all over the field. A coaching staff that collectively gets paid millions of $$$ has to be better than this. I don't buy the talent gap argument, not when it comes to UNI and Iowa, and especially after those program changing victories I referenced earlier. My own view is that the program tells us this year whether it has a future or not. Somehow, they have to flip the ****** and steal 4-5 conference wins this year. Otherwise, I know where this is headed. I have seen it before.
 

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