Do we think the students move to the SEZ?

[CyFan61]

The other thing I can't find from ISU's site is an athletic fee. There's an Activity, Services, Building & Recreation Fee of 317.80 per semester. I can't find anything that breaks down tuition into an AD fee.

Unless we're talking about ticket fees from buying tickets that everyone goes through.

I believe that the athletics fee is counted as part of the Services fee; however, I am certain that the athletics fee is $63.00/year per student.

I don't even necessarily think that we should talk about student seats in terms of how much they pay for them anyway; certainly there is value in having some quality seats available for students.

 

[cloneswereall]

I believe that the athletics fee is counted as part of the Services fee; however, I am certain that the athletics fee is $63.00/year per student.

I don't even necessarily think that we should talk about student seats in terms of how much they pay for them anyway; certainly there is value in having some quality seats available for students.

Just curious as to how you figure that out.

 

[Judoka]

I don't even necessarily think that we should talk about student seats in terms of how much they pay for them anyway; certainly there is value in having some quality seats available for students.

Agreed. These aren't pro teams, they are university teams. The students should have good seats. It's their friends out there on the field representing their university.

 

[cayin]

What do we think? As a student, I've always loved that we are not in the endzone, as I think we get better view of the game than students at most schools. Most stadiums have students in the endzone, as it's generally viewed as a worse view of the game.

But if we are spending all this money on it, along with good view of video board, do we think the students would stay put?

Regardless, it would be nice to get the band with the students. I've always thought the disconnect wasn't greatest thing

no, don't put the students in the endzone, keep them where they are at. Pretty much all of our games are on tv and it looks impressive when they pan the student section going up both decks. It helps with marketing the program, and the atmosphere. It would not have the same effect if it was moved to the endzone.

 

[hexodat64]

no, don't put the students in the endzone, keep them where they are at. Pretty much all of our games are on tv and it looks impressive when they pan the student section going up both decks. It helps with marketing the program, and the atmosphere. It would not have the same effect if it was moved to the endzone.

I've never actually thought about this, and it's definitely true. Most student sections you will only see when a team is kicking a field goal

 

[Frak]

The University of Arizona gives their students one entire sideline in the lower level behind the Wildcats bench for their student section. If an AD wants the students to be a big part of the stadium experience, it can be done.

Interesting predicament. I don't think that the lowest few rows are really good seats. But if you really wanted to give the students the entire sideline, you'd almost have to designate new sections and put up a small fence between those and the sections above them. I don't know that the big donors would really enjoy sitting behind the students, who stand the whole game. A lot of variables to weigh in here. I think that they're best off leaving the students, but I could see them moving to the SEZ and then moving the visitors section to the NE corner. Either way, when the SEZ is finished, I believe we're looking at a total reseating.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I would be shocked if they didn't move to the endzone. And I would be fine with that if I was a student. Huge advantage on that side of the field, and big scoreboard staring you in the face for when they are on the other side of the field.

 

[CYCLNST8]

If I were in charge:

home team: West side
student section: front & center of east side
band: right in the middle of student section
visiting team: right in front of student section/band so they can't even hear themselves think.
visitors section: upper northeast corner

last time I was in Lawrence this was their arrangement. Why not try to create a psychological edge? I can always dream...

 

[hexodat64]

Interesting predicament. I don't think that the lowest few rows are really good seats. But if you really wanted to give the students the entire sideline, you'd almost have to designate new sections and put up a small fence between those and the sections above them. I don't know that the big donors would really enjoy sitting behind the students, who stand the whole game. A lot of variables to weigh in here. I think that they're best off leaving the students, but I could see them moving to the SEZ and then moving the visitors section to the NE corner. Either way, when the SEZ is finished, I believe we're looking at a total reseating.

Jack Trice isn't steep enough for us to put students in the front. The standing would totally be intrusive and in the way to the rest of the fans

 

[bringmagicback]

I think the students are the lowest on the totem pole, so they get the worst seats which I wouldnt consider the sez since if you dont have current sez tickets you cant get them. I cant even get my seats changed to a different part of the sez because no one will give theirs up.

 

[VeloClone]

And I guarantee if they moved the students to the endzone they would still sell out of tickets. There will be a few who get mad and grumble about it, but they will still sell out. So, you take that same amount of money and + a lot more money from donors who will now be sitting in some prime seating, paying for a full priced ticket. Moving the students to the endzone and opening up all of that seating to donors will immediately increase revenue millions of $$.

I believe there is a reason the endzone tickets sell out before the donor tickets. There is a segment of the fan base that can't afford the more expensive seats. I think it is a huge leap of faith to believe there are thousands of fans out there who are just waiting for full priced seats that also require a donation to open up so they can pounce on them. If you don't have some cheaper options available even if it is a healthy amount of the section A price range you are going to price out quite a few fans.

Remember that this is the first year that season tickets sold out. It isn't a slam dunk that a bunch of new donor seats will "immediately increase revenue millions of $$".

 

[cyclonedave25]

I believe there is a reason the endzone tickets sell out before the donor tickets. There is a segment of the fan base that can't afford the more expensive seats. I think it is a huge leap of faith to believe there are thousands of fans out there who are just waiting for full priced seats that also require a donation to open up so they can pounce on them. If you don't have some cheaper options available even if it is a healthy amount of the section A price range you are going to price out quite a few fans.

Remember that this is the first year that season tickets sold out. It isn't a slam dunk that a bunch of new donor seats will "immediately increase revenue millions of $$".

Good point.
Assuming the students do move, then hopefully there is an upper deck with cheaper seats available. Also, I'm sure the donation sections will change as well. Meaning, there will be a lot more $100 donation level sections than before, or perhaps a few more sections on the ends that don't require a donation.

But, I do agree that all of those seats the students currently occupy won't immediately fill up with the exact mirror amounts of donors. There would need to be a shift in what sections are certain donor levels, etc.

 

[bringmagicback]

I believe there is a reason the endzone tickets sell out before the donor tickets. There is a segment of the fan base that can't afford the more expensive seats. I think it is a huge leap of faith to believe there are thousands of fans out there who are just waiting for full priced seats that also require a donation to open up so they can pounce on them. If you don't have some cheaper options available even if it is a healthy amount of the section A price range you are going to price out quite a few fans.

Remember that this is the first year that season tickets sold out. It isn't a slam dunk that a bunch of new donor seats will "immediately increase revenue millions of $$".

Price may play a part in some sez fans however all of the people I know that sit there wouldnt give them up for anything, even if sides were cheaper. I use to sit 40 yard line about 25 rows up, and I would glady choose my sez seats over those.

 

[Stormin]

I believe there is a reason the endzone tickets sell out before the donor tickets. There is a segment of the fan base that can't afford the more expensive seats. I think it is a huge leap of faith to believe there are thousands of fans out there who are just waiting for full priced seats that also require a donation to open up so they can pounce on them. If you don't have some cheaper options available even if it is a healthy amount of the section A price range you are going to price out quite a few fans.

Remember that this is the first year that season tickets sold out. It isn't a slam dunk that a bunch of new donor seats will "immediately increase revenue millions of $$".

Agree. IMO leave the students where they are. The SEZ seats that are at JTS now are a bargain. And definitely expands the base and creates the atmosphere at JTS. I believe we need to keep the prices for the non-premium seats a good deal. Especially with the season we had. I like where the band and the student section is now.

IMO you can bump the seats in the middle of the endzone up to the same level as the $225 Cy's Pack price or at least $200 and keep the corners (the old south sidehills) the same as the cheaper Cy's Pack seats at $175. That is only $50 more and you actually have a seat. Plus those that want a $125 ticket can go to the north sidehills.

 

[mksmith2]

I'm gonna go ahead and pretend I'm not worrying about budget, and I'm also thinking about how things may look on TV, and the influence and effect for possible and current donors, and I might as well pretend I know something about architectural engineering and all that fun stuff.

a) I make the SE and SW hillsides lil' cyclone club areas, we are going to have 2 hillsides left and we might as well make that family friendly. Or possibly make one hillside for lil' cyclone club, and make the other hillside general seating. (gives some leeway for the big crowds)

b) Band continues to sit in the NEZ, make it as much of an amphitheater as possible. (this MAY cause some issues with the "family friendly", but I can't see it affecting it any more than the current set up would.) Repurpose some of the Jacobsen for the marching band, makes sense given where they sit, gives them more dedicated area and there's even existing loading areas for trucks and etc.

c.) In the NE and NW hillsides you build 2 decks, connecting to the existing seating on the West and East sides.

d.) Build lower deck in the SEZ, make it the new student section, give students lower sections of NE and NW corner and make general seating for maybe last third of lower NE and NW corner and entire upper halves. Make the Grand Reiman Entrance the entrance for students. (Given that from my limited understanding the university sees that area as THE ENTRANCE INTO CAMPUS) The students lots are already in the area, so it makes sense to me. Also it will still be impressive when the cameras pan to the entire SEZ area being full of crazy students. Also, I would like to believe the sound could get rather intimidating.

e) Club/Suite/Donor Friendly area in the upper half of SEZ, probably having some sort of video and/or stats available on the external part of upper half. (continuing some form of functionality that we currently see from the old video board in the SEZ) Ideally, I think this donor friendly area is enclosed to avoid some of the potential student-y problems that could arise.

f) Replace some of the current club/suites with more seating to be able match peak attendance. (This is ideal, though I can see why it might be better to just go for our average attendance in our highest attended season and be able to make up seats to match peak numbers for the occasions when necessary)

g) I would build visiting team locker rooms and etc under the SEZ...make them come out underneath the students, and I would move the visitors to the other side of the west stands and leave their current ticket # as is. (as much as possible anyway, maybe offer general seating for visitors since they ARE visitors. I'm mean.)

h) I hire a/v engineers and maybe move a/v controls to the SEZ as well, (or possibly to Jacobsen, but I want something that makes it so we no longer have the crappy audio control at games, it's terrible)

Also, depending on how you see it...this is either a positive or a negative.
...Well mostly a negative, okay, a negative. But oh well, may end up leading to a possible addition of "Cyclone Alley" in football form as well...though I shudder at the thought and I hope that would never happen.

Just my thoughts anyway. Either way, I'm really looking forward to seeing all the information as it comes out and etc.

 

[cayin]

I have always thought moving the students to the SEZ would be a good idea. That way, you can put suites in on the east side and not have to worry about having the students in front of suites.

Also need to put a visitors locker room under the SEZ so we can do away with this stupid criss cross thing.

so you want to take 10 rows and 2,000 seats out the east side lower deck? That would cut our total sideline seating in the stadium to below 40,000, which would be pathetic. Keep in mind that is the side the tv cameras look at. If you put suites in it will make the stadium look even smaller, not good from a perception/marketing perspective.

 

[Stormin]

I have always thought moving the students to the SEZ would be a good idea. That way, you can put suites in on the east side and not have to worry about having the students in front of suites.

Also need to put a visitors locker room under the SEZ so we can do away with this stupid criss cross thing.

So you plan on getting rid of the Jack Trice Club?? Because that is already on the East side and takes up quite a bit of room. And those spots in the Jack Trice Club cost a lot of money.

There won't be any suites built on the east side. Additional suites will be built in the SEZ.

 

[abe2010]

I believe that the athletics fee is counted as part of the Services fee; however, I am certain that the athletics fee is $63.00/year per student.

I don't even necessarily think that we should talk about student seats in terms of how much they pay for them anyway; certainly there is value in having some quality seats available for students.

From the registrar's website for the activity and service fee:

Fee Category	Amount
Student Activities	35.35
Student Services	94.10
Building	27.55
Recreation	160.80
Total	317.80

 

[BCforISU]

Dave...let's not forget that at least for me...I believe the children are our future. We should teach them well and let them lead the way. We should show them all the beauty they posess inside...give them a sense of pride.

Sexual Chocolate...Sexual Chocolate, stomps foot, drops mic. I love that movie, all that is in my head right now.

 

[RayShimley]

From the registrar's website for the activity and service fee:

Fee Category	Amount
Student Activities	35.35
Student Services	94.10
Building	27.55
Recreation	160.80
Total	317.80

I'd still like to hear if any of this money actually goes to the AD. I don't know, but find it a little surprising given the ISU AD's statements of "self-sufficiency". When I was a student I always thought these fees were for intramurals and rec services.