Possible candidates for ISU's open OC position...

[longtimeclone]

Now I like Sage and all but people were killing Messingham for getting this job without much (decent) experience. And now some people want to give the OC reins to someone who has never coached a down of football? This is way too important of a hire to hope it works out.

That said, no reason he couldn't be brought in as a QB coach. That makes MUCH more sense than the OC.

Yeah, I don't understand why people are wanting Sage as our next OC and making comparisons to Kingsbury. Kingsbury started as an assistant coach then moved Co-OC and QB coach. He had coached 5 years and also played in one of the most potent offenses in college. Other than being a QB, I don't know if there is a lot of similarities between the two.

I like Sage and all but I wouldn't want him to be anything more than a QB coach, which the new OC might want to handle those responsibilities.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Give someone like Dave Schramm with solid experience the OC job. If Schramm doesn't have a guy in mind for running backs, give that job to Sage.

 

[CycloneWarning]

As for those dismissing guys for being "mean" or a "hardass", I think that's EXACTLY what this team needs. We have a players coach fora head coach, we can afford a guy the guys hate (but respect) for a coordinator.

I agree. Have no issues if Mangino had a temper or was hard on his players. Dude got KU to a BCS game, fricking KU! He has some coaching chops. Plus, being under Rhoads would mean that anything over the line would be eliminated, if he hadn't learned his own lesson by now. Face it, the fact that he is huge and has prior baggage is the only reason he is toiling at Youngstown State. He would be a bargain, and probably highly motivated to show the Big 12 he still has it.

But in the end, I don't see CPR and Mangino being a good fit, nor would JP like the move.

 

[klamath632]

To the whiners complaining about a coach being too hard-- who cares? They'll like him WHEN THEY WIN.

 

[cykadelic2]

Re: Williams: Who will be the next OC?

Okay, but you can't just completely forget about all of the great things he did as an OC at Mizzou.

I agree he did well at Mizzou but the Mizzou version of the spread he coordinated there is not a power running (North/South) scheme that the Pistol has and I am guessing that CPR wants to stick with that. The new OC will likely have a Pistol background like Jay Johnson, current OC at Louisana-Lafayette.

 

[CloneIce]

The Sage thing is just silly. CPR is fighting for his head coaching life and is going to choose Sage?

Doesn't make a bit of sense.

Correct. CPR isn't going to take a huge chance on someone without coaching experience, this hire is too crucial.

 

[kcclones]

I have a few friends who played with Sage in the NFL and was told he is the smartest person by far they have ever played with.

 

[CloneIce]

Re: Williams: Who will be the next OC?

I agree he did well at Mizzou but the Mizzou version of the spread he coordinated there is not a power running (North/South) scheme that the Pistol has and I am guessing that CPR wants to stick with that. The new OC will likely have a Pistol background like Jay Johnson, current OC at Louisana-Lafayette.

If by some miracle we are able to hire a proven OC with the resume Christensen has, we will take him. I'd be surprised if we have a legit shot at landing Dave C.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Re: Williams: Who will be the next OC?

I agree he did well at Mizzou but the Mizzou version of the spread he coordinated there is not a power running (North/South) scheme that the Pistol has and I am guessing that CPR wants to stick with that. The new OC will likely have a Pistol background like Jay Johnson, current OC at Louisana-Lafayette.

Good coordinators can run a system that isn't "there own" especially if they have a guy on the staff who has more experience in that area, which we do with Klenakis. If Rhoads wants to run it well over half the time, I think Christensen is the wrong guy, but if it's 50-50 I think he'd be a good choice.

 

[cyclonefan59]

Franklin 's tenure at Auburn was not his fault. TT was forced by rich alums to make changes in his staff and he brought in Franklin to beef up the offense. The rest of the coaching staff didn't like the change and "froze" Franklin out. The guy is a great offensive mind. There is never a shortage of people that like to take pot shots, usually jealousy.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Re: Williams: Who will be the next OC?

Good coordinators can run a system that isn't "there own" especially if they have a guy on the staff who has more experience in that area, which we do with Klenakis. If Rhoads wants to run it well over half the time, I think Christensen is the wrong guy, but if it's 50-50 I think he'd be a good choice.

After Messingham I'm really scared of that kind of scenario. I really would like to see a coordinator who has a definite point-of-view for the offense when he comes in. I'm all for being flexible to fit the pieces you have, but I don't want another coordinator playing dress-up in someone else's clothes.

 

[im4cyclones]

People campaigning for Sage need to stop. It isn't going to happen. Love Sage. Great Cyclone. But this hire is too important. Every time you try to build a case for him, you ruin any credibility you have. That's it. You aren't going to convince anyone that it is a smart or savvy hire. There are just too many potential downsides. This team doesn't have the time for Sage to learn on the job.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Re: Williams: Who will be the next OC?

After Messingham I'm really scared of that kind of scenario. I really would like to see a coordinator who has a definite point-of-view for the offense when he comes in. I'm all for being flexible to fit the pieces you have, but I don't want another coordinator playing dress-up in someone else's clothes.

With a good coordinator it's not like that though. Take Mike McCoy when he was OC for the Broncos, over the course of two seasons he basically coached in three different playbooks and somehow figured out how to win games with Tim Tebow at QB. Oklahoma went from being a pass first team last year to a run first team this year. As long as the new OC has a goal in mind and knows how to accomplish that goal there is no reason they cannot adapt.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Re: Williams: Who will be the next OC?

With a good coordinator it's not like that though. Take Mike McCoy when he was OC for the Broncos, over the course of two seasons he basically coached in three different playbooks and somehow figured out how to win games with Tim Tebow at QB. Oklahoma went from being a pass first team last year to a run first team this year. As long as the new OC has a goal in mind and knows how to accomplish that goal there is no reason they cannot adapt.

I know it should work, just saying that after the last years it makes me nervous.

 

[Angie]

People campaigning for Sage need to stop. It isn't going to happen. Love Sage. Great Cyclone. But this hire is too important. Every time you try to build a case for him, you ruin any credibility you have. That's it. You aren't going to convince anyone that it is a smart or savvy hire. There are just too many potential downsides. This team doesn't have the time for Sage to learn on the job.

To be fair, I don't know that anyone really has a ton of credibility on an anonymous message board.

 

[Stormin]

Franklin 's tenure at Auburn was not his fault. TT was forced by rich alums to make changes in his staff and he brought in Franklin to beef up the offense. The rest of the coaching staff didn't like the change and "froze" Franklin out. The guy is a great offensive mind. There is never a shortage of people that like to take pot shots, usually jealousy.

Franklin makes $550,000 per year right now. He has longevity bonuses. He also has penalties in his contract if he leaves early. So is Franklin really available to be our OC? The short answer is NO.

 

[bawbie]

People campaigning for Sage need to stop. It isn't going to happen. Love Sage. Great Cyclone. But this hire is too important. Every time you try to build a case for him, you ruin any credibility you have. That's it. You aren't going to convince anyone that it is a smart or savvy hire. There are just too many potential downsides. This team doesn't have the time for Sage to learn on the job.

I don't see many people advocating for Sage as OC. Most people discussing him are advocating he come in as QB coach with an experienced OC.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

I think CPR has to have a short list. Wouldn't be surprised if they have used a Search Firm to reach out to those people gauging interest. Seems like for the right Coach CPR would be a guy you would like to work with.

I too would like to see us commit to one style of Offense and execute it. It could be Pistol, or Air raid, just no more zone read up the middle. Reads can be fine, but unless we get a durable QB who wants to run 12-14 times a game, just get rid of it. We saw that if you toss it in once or twice a game it may be effective against WVU with Grant's big run, but that is it.

 

[Stormin]

I don't see many people advocating for Sage as OC. Most people discussing him are advocating he come in as QB coach with an experienced OC.

Possible. It all depends on the new OC and what position group the new OC would take if Sage was given any consideration for QB coach.

CPR has some good candidates to choose from. Our pool of money should be decent enough to lure an OC from a mid-major at the very least. It will come down to who CPR is comfortable with. And the type of offense that he wishes to run. Pistol has been a much talked about offense that we might go with. Also an up tempo spread offense. IMO Schramm would be a great hire. I can also see the hire of Christensen. Those are my top two choices.

 

[IsUaClone2]

I think there are a lot of similarities between Sage and Fred. Both were not blessed with the best physical attributes but had the drive to practice hard and learn from many coaches and teammates sufficiently to get them a longer than average professional career. Both are also loyal to their families and schools. The only major difference is that Sage doesn't have the proven front office experience yet to demonstrate his management skills. I think a QB coaching job would be a great start for Sage. I don't know if it would be at Iowa State bui I think he has the attributes that potentially could be successful.