IOWA vs IOWA STATE

mikeiastat

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I guess I don't see the lose lose. Beating Iowa would be a good win on our resume come march. It would make us 2-0 against top 25. Yes a loss would suck cuz we have to hear about it for a year but overall wouldn't be a bad loss

Actually, after we beat them, they won't be a top 25 team, but we'll take it.
 

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I think Sagarin (and maybe Kenpom too) this early in the year uses "returning scoring" as one input. So, Iowa would benefit greatly because they returned a great deal of their scoring from last year.

I could be way off, but I thought I read that somewhere. To me that's pretty pointless and shouldn't really matter, as this is a totally new year.

That makes a lot of sense for them, they would probably be #1 in the country in that stat. I do understand why they use that, as early rankings in any statistical reliant system will have some crazy outliers and might not make sense without something like that. I would guess that those things drop out pretty soon here.
 

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That makes a lot of sense for them, they would probably be #1 in the country in that stat. I do understand why they use that, as early rankings in any statistical reliant system will have some crazy outliers and might not make sense without something like that. I would guess that those things drop out pretty soon here.


I think Sagarin used to state in the first paragraph the actual date that his rankings shift to "stand alone rankings" I'm pretty sure there is some sort of pre-existiing data that gets the data ordered initially and for a number of weeks into the season, but I don't see that date mentioned on there anymore. Seems to me it was roughly the two weeks after all teams were connected or something like that. If the date isn't in there, maybe the rankings have already shifted to stand alone. If so that is a pretty impressive feat for Iowa. And for our #7 rating. Kinda cool.
 

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I think Sagarin used to state in the first paragraph the actual date that his rankings shift to "stand alone rankings" I'm pretty sure there is some sort of pre-existiing data that gets the data ordered initially and for a number of weeks into the season, but I don't see that date mentioned on there anymore. Seems to me it was roughly the two weeks after all teams were connected or something like that. If the date isn't in there, maybe the rankings have already shifted to stand alone. If so that is a pretty impressive feat for Iowa. And for our #7 rating. Kinda cool.

Regardless, I'm concerned about Friday night. Any way you spin it, they are a good team. They can run and in the half court get to the basket. Should be a high scoring game, just hope the outcome favors the good guys .
 

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Regardless, I'm concerned about Friday night. Any way you spin it, they are a good team. They can run and in the half court get to the basket. Should be a high scoring game, just hope the outcome favors the good guys .

I'm not concerned because it's a December game, and ISU has already done better than I thought the non-conference would go. Don't get me wrong--I hope they win; beating a ranked team at any time can't be bad.

I watched Iowa a bit last week--if Notre Dame can get to the hoop from the lane, ISU should be able to. Could be wrong, but Iowa was leaky at times from what I saw.
 

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Regardless, I'm concerned about Friday night. Any way you spin it, they are a good team. They can run and in the half court get to the basket. Should be a high scoring game, just hope the outcome favors the good guys .

What? They have one guy that can get to the hoop.......
 

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I'm not concerned because it's a December game, and ISU has already done better than I thought the non-conference would go. Don't get me wrong--I hope they win; beating a ranked team at any time can't be bad.

I watched Iowa a bit last week--if Notre Dame can get to the hoop from the lane, ISU should be able to. Could be wrong, but Iowa was leaky at times from what I saw.

They gave Garrick "Neck Beard" Sherman 29. Niang/Ej/Hogue all better than him.
 
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Stop Marble, win the rebound battle, and don't put them on the charity stripe. If state can do that they should win.

Who guards Marble?
 

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Stop Marble, win the rebound battle, and don't put them on the charity stripe. If state can do that they should win.

Who guards Marble?

To start it will be Kane. Hogue and Naz will problem take turns as as well. Then for the final 5 minutes, Ellerman....
 

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You don't get out much, do you?

He's actually right. Didn't believe it myself until I went and looked it up. Iowa did NOT beat a team that was ranked at the time they played them. For example they lost to Minnesota when Minny was ranked, and beat them when Minny was NOT ranked. In the 11-12 season they beat 4 ranked teams.

In regards to my earlier comment. You guys are complaining about the exact same weaknesses that Iowa has. Both teams can be very streaky shooting the ball, we all know how bad Iowa was last year from 3, both teams can have rebounding issues, and so on. Thankfully I'm not a betting man at all because no matte what any of us say this game has a 30% chance of Iowa winning by 15+, 30% chance of ISU winning by 15+, a 30% chance of it coming down to a last shot, and about a 10% chance of either team winning by around 10.

It's a rivalry game. Anything can happen.
 

DreamyCy

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He's actually right. Didn't believe it myself until I went and looked it up. Iowa did NOT beat a team that was ranked at the time they played them. For example they lost to Minnesota when Minny was ranked, and beat them when Minny was NOT ranked. In the 11-12 season they beat 4 ranked teams.

In regards to my earlier comment. You guys are complaining about the exact same weaknesses that Iowa has. Both teams can be very streaky shooting the ball, we all know how bad Iowa was last year from 3, both teams can have rebounding issues, and so on. Thankfully I'm not a betting man at all because no matte what any of us say this game has a 30% chance of Iowa winning by 15+, 30% chance of ISU winning by 15+, a 30% chance of it coming down to a last shot, and about a 10% chance of either team winning by around 10.

It's a rivalry game. Anything can happen.

Lol
 

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Thankfully I'm not a betting man at all because no matte what any of us say this game has a 30% chance of Iowa winning by 15+, 30% chance of ISU winning by 15+, a 30% chance of it coming down to a last shot, and about a 10% chance of either team winning by around 10.

It's a rivalry game. Anything can happen.

Your percentages are way off. While Iowa certainly can win, ISU will not be run out of the gym at Hilton.

I think that Iowa fans are underestimating the home court advantage. ISU has lost a total of two games at Hilton since November 2011 - more than two calendar years ago. One of those two was the KU game last spring (controversial, to say the least). Without that KU game, ISU's home winning streak would be 2nd longest in the nation.

Iowa is a good team and could win this game. But they will not blow out ISU at Hilton.
 

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He's actually right. Didn't believe it myself until I went and looked it up. Iowa did NOT beat a team that was ranked at the time they played them. For example they lost to Minnesota when Minny was ranked, and beat them when Minny was NOT ranked. In the 11-12 season they beat 4 ranked teams.

In regards to my earlier comment. You guys are complaining about the exact same weaknesses that Iowa has. Both teams can be very streaky shooting the ball, we all know how bad Iowa was last year from 3, both teams can have rebounding issues, and so on. Thankfully I'm not a betting man at all because no matte what any of us say this game has a 30% chance of Iowa winning by 15+, 30% chance of ISU winning by 15+, a 30% chance of it coming down to a last shot, and about a 10% chance of either team winning by around 10.

It's a rivalry game. Anything can happen.

This is some terrible logic.
 

cyowa

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He's actually right. Didn't believe it myself until I went and looked it up. Iowa did NOT beat a team that was ranked at the time they played them. For example they lost to Minnesota when Minny was ranked, and beat them when Minny was NOT ranked. In the 11-12 season they beat 4 ranked teams.

In regards to my earlier comment. You guys are complaining about the exact same weaknesses that Iowa has. Both teams can be very streaky shooting the ball, we all know how bad Iowa was last year from 3, both teams can have rebounding issues, and so on. Thankfully I'm not a betting man at all because no matte what any of us say this game has a 30% chance of Iowa winning by 15+, 30% chance of ISU winning by 15+, a 30% chance of it coming down to a last shot, and about a 10% chance of either team winning by around 10.

It's a rivalry game. Anything can happen.

The sentence in bold really captures the real difficulty in trying to pick this game. Or, in other words - no one has a clue!
 

CyArob

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Your percentages are way off. While Iowa certainly can win, ISU will not be run out of the gym at Hilton.

I think that Iowa fans are underestimating the home court advantage. ISU has lost a total of two games at Hilton since November 2011 - more than two calendar years ago. One of those two was the KU game last spring (controversial, to say the least). Without that KU game, ISU's home winning streak would be 2nd longest in the nation.

Iowa is a good team and could win this game. But they will not blow out ISU at Hilton.

The last time ISU lost by more than 10 at home was against KU in the 2009-2010 season.
 

DreamyCy

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The last time ISU lost by more than 10 at home was against KU in the 2009-2010 season.

In know it shouldn't count but we lost to Kansas by 12 last year in OT.

We're to good of an offensive team to be blown out in Hilton. Any Iowa fan that thinks there is a chance of it is on acid.
 
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