Media Butthurt over CPR and Lazard

[JUKEBOX]

Why does anyone care what a 18-22 year old athlete has to say? Why does anyone care what the local media has to say?

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[wartknight]

At first I was a little upset at what Rhoads said but after hearing the local media way way way overreact to it I am loving every minute of it.
Big problem here is "reporters" (guys like murph and Andy) who are supposed to be objective and now have a radio show can give their opinions so they become the news. No such thing as journalistic integrity any more, That's just the way it is.
Talking to an old-timer hawk fan buddy of mine yesterday and he said what Rhoads did is no where close to as bad as how Fry used to treat the media when he did something they didn't like. Back then though, media in the state needed access to the hawkeyes or no one would read. Fry knew that. I think Rhoads realizes that, while ISU certainly isn't to the point of where ia was then, He doesn't need to have a few of the local media members on his side. Register is firing people right and left and there are plenty of places to get your Cyclone news. Cutting off access to ISU from the Register would hurt the Reg a lot more than it would hurt ISU. Who cares what they think. They aren't the ones that pay salary and buy tickets. They just come to games for free and eat the free food.
Similar thing happened during the season when they took a bunch of Messingham's quotes out of context and the story created a backlash on here until people watched the full interview and realized how much they had taken them out of context.

 

[LutherBlue]

I can't say I disagree with you on this at all, LutherBlue. I wish Rhoads would have handled it differently. I am sure in the years to come Rhoads will have learned from this and will handle it better next time.

At the same time, maybe after getting Lazard's LOI signed and delivered, the pressure was finally off. Maybe you are too young to know what happens when you take suddenly take the lid off a pressure cooker when it has reached full boil. What happens? The contents in the pressure cooker explodes all over the place.

That's how I see Rhoads' press conference. For weeks and weeks he had to listen to interviews, blogs and local talk show hosts questioning why Lazard would commit to ISU over Notre Dame and Iowa, and why if he was so committed did he take a trip to Notre Dame, and a 3-8 season is surely enough to sway Lazard from going to ISU. He exploded, and not in a good way like you said.

But I will give him a pass on this -- especially since I was sick of hearing and reading articles challenging Lazard's commitment to ISU these past couple of months.

The guy gets paid seven figures. He should be professional enought to hold it together and savvy enough to know how his words would be received. Just the wrong time and place to pick that fight.

 

[LutherBlue]

At first I was a little upset at what Rhoads said but after hearing the local media way way way overreact to it I am loving every minute of it.
Big problem here is "reporters" (guys like murph and Andy) who are supposed to be objective and now have a radio show can give their opinions so they become the news. No such thing as journalistic integrity any more, That's just the way it is.
Talking to an old-timer hawk fan buddy of mine yesterday and he said what Rhoads did is no where close to as bad as how Fry used to treat the media when he did something they didn't like. Back then though, media in the state needed access to the hawkeyes or no one would read. Fry knew that. I think Rhoads realizes that, while ISU certainly isn't to the point of where ia was then, He doesn't need to have a few of the local media members on his side. Register is firing people right and left and there are plenty of places to get your Cyclone news. Cutting off access to ISU from the Register would hurt the Reg a lot more than it would hurt ISU. Who cares what they think. They aren't the ones that pay salary and buy tickets. They just come to games for free and eat the free food.
Similar thing happened during the season when they took a bunch of Messingham's quotes out of context and the story created a backlash on here until people watched the full interview and realized how much they had taken them out of context.

But this stuff has been going on since cavemen were scratching out pictures on rocks and everyone knows it, particularly those who regularly deal with the media. Overall, the media has been great to Rhoads. I never saw anything close to a tongue lashing last year, even as we were getting embarrassed by Baylor, KSU and others. Rhoads should be thanking his lucky stars.

 

[wartknight]

The guy gets paid seven figures. He should be professional enought to hold it together and savvy enough to know how his words would be received. Just the wrong time and place to pick that fight.

Or "The guy gets paid seven figures, he shouldn't have to sit and listen to some 3rd string sports reporter making 35k question why his top recruit is sticking with him"

 

[wartknight]

But this stuff has been going on since cavemen were scratching out pictures on rocks and everyone knows it, particularly those who regularly deal with the media. Overall, the media has been great to Rhoads. I never saw anything close to a tongue lashing last year, even as we were getting embarrassed by Baylor, KSU and others. Rhoads should be thanking his lucky stars.

No when reporters used to give their opinions it was flat out put on the screen that it was an opinion or in the section of the paper called opinion.
Regarding Messingham's story we used to not have access to see the entire interview like we do now. That's the only difference is that we can verify what was/wasn't said.
Rhoads took plenty of beatings on talk radio over the last couple years. Maybe not to his face in a presser but definitely from the talking heads on their shows

 

[Cyrocks]

The guy gets paid seven figures. He should be professional enought to hold it together and savvy enough to know how his words would be received. Just the wrong time and place to pick that fight.

Signed,
Mike Gundy
Hal McCrae
Jim Mora
John Chaney
Dennis Green
Kevin Borseth
David Bennett
Jerry Burns
Fran McCaffrey

 

[wartknight]

Love this from Hayden Fry calling out the media. He is revered by IA fans yet Rhoads calls them out and gets vilified.
Hayden Fry - Bitchy Press Conference - YouTube

 

[carvers4math]

So what exactly is a Tommy Birch? Saw him mentioned in the Twitter media cryfest. His Twitter says "I ask clown questions bro." Is he one of our "professional" journalists?

 

[Cyrocks]

But this stuff has been going on since cavemen were scratching out pictures on rocks and everyone knows it, particularly those who regularly deal with the media. Overall, the media has been great to Rhoads. I never saw anything close to a tongue lashing last year, even as we were getting embarrassed by Baylor, KSU and others. Rhoads should be thanking his lucky stars.

Wow, what media have you been listening to or reading.

 

[LutherBlue]

Signed,
Mike Gundy
Hal McCrae
Jim Mora
John Chaney
Dennis Green
Kevin Borseth
David Bennett
Jerry Burns
Fran McCaffrey

Great, you're grouping our coach with these clowns who are publicly mocked years after their tirades? That's comforting.

If Rhoads thinks he can effectively bully the media, he needs to do better than 3-9.

 

[Cyrocks]

Love this from Hayden Fry calling out the media. He is revered by IA fans yet Rhoads calls them out and gets vilified.
Hayden Fry - Bitchy Press Conference - YouTube

Skip to the 14 minute mark and it is a great example of what are talking about wartknight.

 

[Cyrocks]

Great, you're grouping our coach with these clowns who are publicly mocked years after their tirades? That's comforting.

If Rhoads thinks he can effectively bully the media, he needs to do better than 3-9.

Here I thought you were good at comprehension. The point is good people blow up all the time for different reasons -- no matter how much they are paid.

 

[IlliniCy]

Hate to defend John Sears/Keith Murphy here, but on Keith and Andy, Murphy said that Sears and Allen had agreed to an interview where he asked the question as many different ways as he could to help remove all doubt. Allen is laughing as he continues to answer the questions. Then Allen tweeted out the interview right after. Murphy said that he sees how people, now and without that context, could think it was harassing and putting down Iowa State.

Don't know if that is simply covering his *** now, but that's how he explained it.

Murphy also says that Sears' use of the word 'Clowns', was just a slip of the tongue. Horse****! You don't slip and drop an F-bomb on the air unless you use the word off the air.

 

[LutherBlue]

Here I thought you were good at comprehension. The point is good people blow up all the time for different reasons -- no matter how much they are paid.

And it's still embarrassing when they do.

 

[Cyrocks]

Murphy also says that Sears' use of the word 'Clowns', was just a slip of the tongue. Horse****! You don't slip and drop an F-bomb on the air unless you use the word off the air.

Hahaha. This is a true story. I had broken up with a girl and a month later started dating another. One night, after about four weeks of dating, we were at the movies and I asked her, "Do you want some popcorn, Janet?" The trouble was my current girlfriend's name was Melissa. Janet was my previous girl. Try and convince Melissa that was just a slip of the tongue.

 

[Cyrocks]

And it's still embarrassing when they do.

Did I disagree with you at all on that? But good lord if you are going to bash somebody for a single outburst then wow. Paul Rhoads has done a lot of good things -- got a 4-star recruit coming to ISU because the player likes him. I have seen the local media take it from the back from Fry and Ferentz and yet the local media personalities never made this big of an issue with it. They just lined up and ask for seconds.

 

[intrepid27]

This was the main topic of conversation and calls on "The Afternoon Players Club" on AM 1600 in CR yesterday. The hosts were trying to get people to rip on CPR but few took the bait. Also ,there is a good podcast covering topic on the Gazette website this AM.

Hawks fans are up in arms about CPR taking a shot at Ferentz. I did not hear CPR say he would never do something similar. I heard him say we got Lazard and it blows to be you. I guess the truth hurts.

Side notes- Some CR media trying to blame Iowa's week recruiting class on 4 win season two years ago. Also, Hawk fans wondering why Greg Davis bid not bring along his book of High School contacts from TX.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I'll respond to you guys because I enjoy the discussion. Hope I'm not coming across as a troll. The boards are for discussion. I know you all realize I'm a Hawk fan, and my take on situations is clearly biased because of that but I mean no disrespect. I'm just sharing my opinion. If that makes you think I'm a troll then so be it.

Concerning Lazard's Trip to Notre Dame -- maybe he promised Notre Dame that he would take one visit over there just to shut them up. He gave his word to go over, and he did. He said before he took the trip he was a solid ISU signee, and after he took the trip he said he was a solid ISU signee. Blaming the victim -- especially an 18-year old high school student -- makes you no better to throw stones at Rhoads.

First of all, in no way shape or form am I blaming Lazard for anything. He's handled everything with class. I'm just saying if Allen, his family, and Rhoads were truly that annoyed with the media as some people are assuming then Allen could have released a end all statement. I know he remained committed to ISU. However, after his visit to ND it would have been as easy as saying something like this: "I enjoyed my visit to ND. I appreciate their interest in me as well as all of the other schools who have expressed interest. However, I remain 100% committed to Iowa State and will not waver on that commitment." It's as simple as that. People would have backed off. Maybe it's ridiculous to have to go to those lengths, but that's the media world we live in today.

And concerning Rhoads and taking shots at ND and Iowa -- how would you know that Rhoads had no right to "stoop that low"? How do you know what Iowa or ND said to Lazard? Lazard -- and his dad -- would have told Rhoads about the contact and what was said.

Again, I'm tired of this response. It's pure conjecture from any poster on here to believe Iowa or ND participated in negative recruiting. Until a reliable source comes out saying that happened with either of the schools it's simply conjecture. It's pumping sunshine up a dogs rear end. You're trying to justify his arrogant tone using assumptions. It doesn't make any sense, and it certainly isn't fair to those schools when you have no idea what the truth is. What we do know is what Rhoads said at the PC. He's the one who decided to make his comments public. I, and many other people in the state who aren't drinking Cyclone Kool-Aid, found it to be incredibly distasteful. It's arrogant, obnoxious, immature, and hypocritical. Especially when you consider the whole lecture he gave talking about Lazard's maturity, accountability, and loyalty. When you consider the kids he's pouched from other schools like Campos either he's being a hypocrite once again, or he's saying Campos lacks integrity. You choose which shoe fits.

Now let's assume for a second one or both of the schools did participate in negative recruiting. I still believe it was wrong of Rhoads to feel the need to pound his chest publicly. He could have taken the high road. He could have called Ferentz or Kelly personally. He could have handled it man to man. That's how I would have done things. I can't speak for anyone else. I certainly wouldn't have climbed in front of a microphone on National Signing Day and made myself look like a 6th grader who just won over a girl that I was competing with a friend over. IF negative recruiting did happen then I understand the grandstanding a little bit more, but I still think it's the wrong approach to take.

And not once did I see or read any interviews challenging Pierschbacher's commitment to Iowa when Alabama offered and he took an official visit to Crimson Tide country to the extent they grilled Lazard over and over again. Pierschbacher was considered the fifth-best lineman in the country and an Iowa boy. I truly believe the local media thought that Pierschbacher was a local boy who was totally committed to Iowa, who grew up cheering for the Hawkeyes, and never challenged or dreamed that he may go else where even when Alabama entered the picture. (I had to laugh at one comment left by a guy in a story about Pierschbacher switching to Alambama -- something like come to Iowa and be a star and NFL player or go to Alabama and ride the bench for four years.)

I don't quite understand the comparison. RP made it clear he was considering Alabama, and then he made it clear when he made his decision to flip. He always made it known where he stood. As discussed earlier, Allen never announced he was considering other schools but by taking a visit in a way he left that door open for media to speculate.

The local media got burnt and burnt bad on Pierschbacher, and I think they spent entirely too much time on chasing Lazard because he got offers from Notre Dame and Iowa to make sure they didn't get burnt or blindsided again.

 

[cytown]

This was the main topic of conversation and calls on "The Afternoon Players Club" on AM 1600 in CR yesterday. The hosts were trying to get people to rip on CPR but few took the bait. Also ,there is a good podcast covering topic on the Gazette website this AM.

Hawks fans are up in arms about CPR taking a shot at Ferentz. I did not hear CPR say he would never do something similar. I heard him say we got Lazard and it blows to be you. I guess the truth hurts.

Side notes- Some CR media trying to blame Iowa's week recruiting class on 4 win season two years ago. Also, Hawk fans wondering why Greg Davis bid not bring along his book of High School contacts from TX.

Iowa fans can't blame a ****** recruiting class on anything. Their ranking over the last 5-6 years in terms of their classes has been at the bottom of the big ten for a while. They had the 2004/05 class that was stellar, but thats an outlier.