Monday Musings: A new era in QB management?
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It'd be great if one of those three can not only lock down the starter job in the spring but then hang onto it for a full season. It certainly hasn't been the only problem on offense the last few years, but continuity at the QB position has to be a priority.
Boy, Mangino is almost a complete polar opposite of Mess. Hopefully that results in a polar opposite offense, too :yes:
Maybe all three are about the same......what happens if lanning is the one to get the nod?
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God bless.
Then I hope he takes the job and runs with it. I don't really care which of the three gets the job - ****, it can be Starcevich for all I care - I just want whoever wins the position battle to improve and keep the job. The QB carousel's gotta stop some time.
Look...I was as big of a Mess hater as anyone, but I'm not sure how this is any different than before. The last 3 years, Jantz, Jantz and then Richardson were named the starters and I think the staffs had every intention of going with them the entire season. A combination of injuries and complete ineptitude caused the backups to play, however after short spurts of success, injuries and suckiness overcame them also. Even through all that, the only time we ever really rotated QB's was last year when they brought Richardson in for running plays only because it was obvious he couldn't throw.
If you want to talk about mismanagement by openly throwing them under the bus to the media and shattering confidence, sure that was bungled these last few years. However, this notion that rotating QB's has been a problem is unfounded. I would hope that if our named started gets hurt or is just awful for a few games in a row, that yes they should be benched.
If you want to talk about mismanagement by openly throwing them under the bus to the media and shattering confidence, sure that was bungled these last few years. However, this notion that rotating QB's has been a problem is unfounded. I would hope that if our named started gets hurt or is just awful for a few games in a row, that yes they should be benched.
Jantz wasn't named starter that first year until like a week before the season. Same night Rhoads announced Tiller was academically ineligible.
A playmaker at the QB position is crucial for this team. Even if they are going out on a limb and taking a chance I think they need to go with whomever shows the ability to make the most plays on his own, both through the offense and by improvising. Lanning very well could be that guy. He's the most athletic, he probably has the strongest arm, and he's bigger than both Rohach and Richardson.
With no guarantees that the offensive line is going to be a strong point, and huge concerns with the defenses ability to stop opposing teams I think it's critical that they try to find a playmaker at QB. I don't think the next Seneca Wallace is on the roster, but if Lanning can figure out the mental side of the game I believe he physically brings more to the table than the other two. He could provide a spark that the other two can't. If I'm Rhoads/Mangino I would realize that I need to produce results. The fans aren't going to be patient much longer. Iowa State is not built like Iowa football teams. The coaches can't minimize risk at the QB position because they have a stout defense and running game to back them up. They need a guy who is going to keep the offense on the field, and put points on the board.
With no guarantees that the offensive line is going to be a strong point, and huge concerns with the defenses ability to stop opposing teams I think it's critical that they try to find a playmaker at QB. I don't think the next Seneca Wallace is on the roster, but if Lanning can figure out the mental side of the game I believe he physically brings more to the table than the other two. He could provide a spark that the other two can't. If I'm Rhoads/Mangino I would realize that I need to produce results. The fans aren't going to be patient much longer. Iowa State is not built like Iowa football teams. The coaches can't minimize risk at the QB position because they have a stout defense and running game to back them up. They need a guy who is going to keep the offense on the field, and put points on the board.
I guess that I have a different thought on what is most needed in a QB. To me it is the ability to win games. If all it took, to be a great QB, was athletic ability, a very strong passing arm (cannon, if you will), and bigger than normal size size as a QB, than Cody Green (QB at Tulsa the last several years), would have been an All-American. A QB certainly has to have physical talent; but, so much of being a successful QB is what is situated between the ears. (IMHO)
Believe Me MM has forgot more about offensive football than Messingham knows..
I'm not gonna hate on Mess. Some guys are great position coaches, but beyond that they can't piece thigs together. Just like some guys are great coordinators, but once they get a team they just have too much going on to be effective. They get too in deep on things they should not be handling because they think they have to. CPR was heading down this road and I think he realized it.
The best head coaches do what CPR had to do this off season: Understand what makes them ugly, and hire a rock star to cover that blemish. Enter Mark Mangino. CPR is not an offensive mind. I think he wants an offense that plays like his defense. Someone isn't getting the job done, you plug someone else in who you think might. But a good offense requires more cohesion, more timing, more flow, more finesse. It's the opposite of a wrecking crew defense that flies to the ball clawing for a turnover.
It took a lot of humility for CPR to understand where he was at. It took a lot of humility for Mangino to accept the position as offensive coordinator. But really, what better match to have? We have, essentially, two head coaches both with great passion for their respective side of the ball. Both are men who aspire to be great men and great leaders. Both want to do it the right way and both have the confidence that consistently winning is possible... Even at Iowa State. Both want to make their mark in history. Seems to me it's the right time and place for them both to achieve this.
The best head coaches do what CPR had to do this off season: Understand what makes them ugly, and hire a rock star to cover that blemish. Enter Mark Mangino. CPR is not an offensive mind. I think he wants an offense that plays like his defense. Someone isn't getting the job done, you plug someone else in who you think might. But a good offense requires more cohesion, more timing, more flow, more finesse. It's the opposite of a wrecking crew defense that flies to the ball clawing for a turnover.
It took a lot of humility for CPR to understand where he was at. It took a lot of humility for Mangino to accept the position as offensive coordinator. But really, what better match to have? We have, essentially, two head coaches both with great passion for their respective side of the ball. Both are men who aspire to be great men and great leaders. Both want to do it the right way and both have the confidence that consistently winning is possible... Even at Iowa State. Both want to make their mark in history. Seems to me it's the right time and place for them both to achieve this.
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Waiting until game week to decide on a starter is a terrible idea. Decide who its going to be in April and give him the keys. Mangino understands how important it is to give 1 guy the vast majority of the first team reps. You sacrifice the improvement of the backups for the improvement of the starter. Splitting reps 3 ways results in no one taking control, everyone has limited practice time. Receivers and backs don't gel with qb #1. And the result is a group of average quarterbacks.
Right now it's okay to split the reps, but mangino will set a depth chart after spring ball.
Right now it's okay to split the reps, but mangino will set a depth chart after spring ball.
All decisions in the end go through the Head coach, but I'm assuming its Mangino's call until Rhoads questions his judgement on the decision. Rhoads has always treated his assistant coaches with a fairly short leash. Ex. Rhoads had talked in the past about how he couldn't overrule Messingham because he was the OC... SMH
