Game of Thrones Season 4
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Every time you feel that way about someone, another person shows to be even crazier.
It would take a lot to unseat the Bolton bastard. Don't think she's there yet.
There IS that. Catelyn sort of did all of this to herself, and could have gotten Bran and Rickon killed, just for a little revenge.
Just about came out of my chair when Lysa said Littlefinger had be making trips to the Vale, and spilled the beans about poisoning JA. Littlefinger has now moved into a more prominent role than I had envisioned. I knew he controlled and manipulated people, but not to that extreme. I think he has plans for Lysa and Sansa, and when Hound and Arya get to the Vale it will help with his intentions. :wink:
Ghost eating the face of that runaway traitor was awesome. I laughed out loud. :biglaugh:
Lysa is bat-$#@! crazy. :wacko: Anyone else think her son is gonna take a walk out the sky hole?
Speaking of Rickon, where is he? Did he go with that wildling lady who was with them for a while?
Yep, he's with Osha. It's not a spoiler to say that I've read all of the books, and have no clue where the heck they are.
I think Rickon could be the endgame as far as the Starks reclaiming Winterfell. Of course, I don't think there is that much book left.
That's a good point. I mean, clearly Bran is north of the wall, and I'd guess he'll stay there. I personally think that proximity will have him and Jon work together, but more for the realm than for Winterfell (Night's Watch vows and all of that). That really does only leave Rickon.
Rickon is supposedly 'wild' as well, meaning he might be the warrior type with the 'wolf's blood'. Maybe better discussed in the book thread I guess?
Well, Cat did tell her son to follow through with marrying the Frey girl instead of his "love" (depending on book/show). Would Bolton and Frey still have turned on them then? Maybe. But then it would have been 100% on Bolton and Frey instead of the Starks sharing the blame.
As much as I am a "Stark", it seems like 95% of the time it's them getting in their own way.
Bran climbing the ruins when his parents told him not to (causing him to be in the wrong place at the wrong time)
Catelyn imprisoning Tyrion for attempted murder of Bran when the only evidence was the dagger (and, as Tyrion said, only an idiot would leave behind his own dagger)
Ned "dishonoring" himself at the wrong time (had he dishonored himself by taking up Littlefinger's suggestion and "supporting" Joeffry and out Cersei and her children a few years later instead of dishonoring himself by declaring himself a traitor right before his execution)
Robb breaking his treaty with the Freys
Catelyn setting Jaime free in hopes the Lannisters would release her daughters (such a foolish Hail Mary)
Robb executing Greystark (causing him to lose a lot of support in the North)
As much as th Starks get screwed in this show, a lot of the time they simply get in their own way. To paraphrase something Littlefinger said, "they act before they think." And it burns them a lot in this show.
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IMO, that's the biggest shock of the whole series. Bigger than Ned's death, bigger than the Red Wedding, bigger than the Purple Wedding. Knowing that Littlefinger started everything? I read that and my jaw hit the floor.
That's true, hence why Shaggy Dog is such a wild card. That's another really good point.
It also goes against the entire background for Littlefinger's character of doing anything possible for Cat - his manipulation of Lysa caused her to send a letter to the Starks implicating the Lannisters, which caused Ned to have to leave, and Catelyn to take Tyrion hostage, and so on and so on. His end game was specifically to hurt the Starks, one of whom is supposedly the only person besides himself who he's ever loved. And Sansa just either doesn't get mad about any of this, or doesn't realize it?
I thought he was talking about Crasters Keep getting burned down and that crazy SOB going with it, which is what happened.
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