So what happened here...

[dualthreat]

...that could happen for us in 2014?

1999 Iowa State 4-7
2000 Iowa State 9-3 (Won Insight Bowl)

2003 Iowa State 2-10
2004 Iowa State 7-5 (Won Independence Bowl)

2008 Iowa State 2-10
2009 Iowa State 7-6 (Won Insight Bowl)

2013 Iowa State 3-9
2014 Iowa State ?

These types of turnarounds happen every year across the country.

 

[chuckd4735]

2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

 

[DFWClone]

2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

Ended this thread pretty quickly

 

[chuckd4735]

Ended this thread pretty quickly

Could also go one more year...

2006 Iowa State 4-8
2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

 

[im4cyclones]

2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

Boooo!!

 

[CyCloned]

2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

Gene C. was clueless when it came to playing with inferior talent, which ISU is going to have most of the time. His defense was based on 4-5 star athletes, and there were none on his team. At least CPR gets it. So does Mangino. I would be stunned if the Clones went 2-10 this year.

 

[dualthreat]

2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

that isn't what i asked

 

[00clone]

Well, 2007-2008 can't happen here, since we didn't fire our head coach....

(not that I'm calling for that, but calling that a 'turnaround' isn't really fair)

 

[CyStalker]

I like where the OP was going with this. Thanks for seeing the glass half full.

 

[dualthreat]

In 2012 Missouri was pretty decimated with injuries... finished 5-7. The next year they went 12-2 and won the SEC East.

In 1999 South Carolina went 0-11, the next year 8-4 and ranked #17 in the country.

In 2000 Colorado went 3-8, the next year they were Big 12 Champions and played in the Fiesta Bowl.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

2007 Iowa State 3-9
2008 Iowa State 2-10

That was under direction of CHIZ ****

 

[MNclone]

Hate to break it to you but most of those swings came from the ridiculously unbalanced schedules we played in the North. Awful records when we played Texas and Oklahoma and decent ones when we didn't.

 

[Omaha Cy]

Hate to break it to you but most of those swings came from the ridiculously unbalanced schedules we played in the North. Awful records when we played Texas and Oklahoma and decent ones when we didn't.

Definitely a lot of truth to that. 2009 also had a pretty weak OOC schedule outside of Iowa. Add in Colorado being the Cyclones whipping boy in Ames, and it was the perfect recipe for a rebound. What bugs me though is the close loss to KSU and KU that year. ISU in a VERY mediocre year at best could have gone 8-4. Probably lose the bowl game though, as they would have faced a much tougher draw than Minnesota.

I will point out that the 2009 team could RUN THE DAMN BALL. 2300 yards on the ground. Ate clock on offense and hung around games, and that's something legit to recognize right there.

 

[madguy30]

Definitely a lot of truth to that. 2009 also had a pretty weak OOC schedule outside of Iowa. Add in Colorado being the Cyclones whipping boy in Ames, and it was the perfect recipe for a rebound. What bugs me though is the close loss to KSU and KU that year. ISU in a VERY mediocre year at best could have gone 8-4. Probably lose the bowl game though, as they would have faced a much tougher draw than Minnesota.

I will point out that the 2009 team could RUN THE DAMN BALL. 2300 yards on the ground. Ate clock on offense and hung around games, and that's something legit to recognize right there.

2012 could be in that same arena of thought...bad offense, average defense, but 8 wins not all that far away with the schedule. But, any team with a pulse should get 8 wins with their schedule most years. I know--the preseason SOS is usually up there and people like to point to that first for why ISU loses, but in the end, there's usually only about 2-3 decent teams on ISU's schedule. 2002 is the exception. It was like FSU, bunch of beatable teams, then a real jagged 2nd half of the season, punctuated by Seneca Wallace being surrounded by average talent.

I wonder if anything changed in mindset of team/coaching from that 2009 season, because I was under the impression that you had to run the ball well for what they were trying to do on offense.

 

[ISUagger]

So you're saying there's a chance.

 

[Omaha Cy]

2012 could be in that same arena of thought...bad offense, average defense, but 8 wins not all that far away with the schedule. But, any team with a pulse should get 8 wins with their schedule most years. I know--the preseason SOS is usually up there and people like to point to that first for why ISU loses, but in the end, there's usually only about 2-3 decent teams on ISU's schedule.

I wonder if anything changed in mindset of team/coaching from that 2009 season, because I was under the impression that you had to run the ball well for what they were trying to do on offense.

I take umbrage with you calling 2012's defense as average. It wasn't a great defense, but it was a good defense and near the top in points allowed within the Big 12 conference. There were several nice pieces on that defense from a college standpoint. Considering how the offense repeatedly falter and hung them out to dry, they did more than an admiral job keeping teams off the scoreboard. If Rhoads had a team that SHOULD have had the breakout season, 2012 is obviously it in my mind with that unit. That was like a 10 win defense paired with a 5 win offense...unfortunately that didn't even out to 7.5 wins.

If you could have traded out other programs defenses and brought in Iowa State's, I feel confident in saying that it would have improved most teams defense in the conference. Overall decent d-line, great linebackers, solid corners and solid safety play as well. It was a sound defense from top to bottom.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Rhoads has made some tactical mistakes on the coaches he has hired but reality is isu has had a terrible offense since day 1 of the rhoads era. Last year was by far the worst defense and worst offense of the rhoads era. We bounce back this year. Just wish this was year 2 of the mangino oc era. Hopefully experienced offense of pretty much every starter back furthers things along. Even with mess as oc the offense showed some decent flashes of explosion. We see a very explosive offense for the first time since a long long time.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Anyone remeber when we beat isu 9 to 7 2 years ago. My gosh how many times can you get into the red zone and not score a td. Thanks mess i blame you for everything. Remember when jantz had to through a miracle td to beat uni? I thin that was herman. We have been bad its a miracle the rhoads teams get better as the year goes and he keeps these players motivated. If rhoads is going to have a breakout year next year is his last chance or i assure it never happens. To have that this year needs to be 5-7 win team that is much more competitive. Breakout would be 8-9 wins. I think it happens but if not oh well not saying he gets fired or he should if he doesnt; but i say last chance next 2 years.

 

[bozclone]

I agree with the OP. We are not OU, who can reload with 4 or 5 star talent each year. More than likely, we are going to see cycles in our W-L record at Iowa State. When we are inexperienced, we are going to really struggle. When we return a bunch of starters or we have a senior loaded team, we have a chance to have a winning season and play in a bowl game.

It would be great to be good each and every year, but I am not sure we can get that type of depth on our roster. Not in the short term anyway.

 

[madguy30]

I take umbrage with you calling 2012's defense as average. It wasn't a great defense, but it was a good defense and near the top in points allowed within the Big 12 conference. There were several nice pieces on that defense from a college standpoint. Considering how the offense repeatedly falter and hung them out to dry, they did more than an admiral job keeping teams off the scoreboard. If Rhoads had a team that SHOULD have had the breakout season, 2012 is obviously it in my mind with that unit. That was like a 10 win defense paired with a 5 win offense...unfortunately that didn't even out to 7.5 wins.

If you could have traded out other programs defenses and brought in Iowa State's, I feel confident in saying that it would have improved most teams defense in the conference. Overall decent d-line, great linebackers, solid corners and solid safety play as well. It was a sound defense from top to bottom.

Sound points. One thing--in most circumstances, you can't beat better, and when they played against better, the opponent moved down the field pretty fluidly. A good example is at OSU that year. They just simply had better athletes regardless of where ISU's players were, and ISU's only hope was turnovers to keep them in it. Don't get me wrong--they bought in and played their tails off. However, philosophically a solid defense simply shuts down the other team without playing the 'bend but don't break' game.

I can agree that with even a remotely competent offense, you're still probably looking at an 8 win team, and one that may have been able to play with some pretty solid teams.