Jarvis has the ball secured, knee is down. Play is over and it is a catch. Period end of story.
What happens after this point shouldn't matter because he has the ball secured and his knee is down ruling the play over.
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Jarvis has the ball secured, knee is down. Play is over and it is a catch. Period end of story.
What happens after this point shouldn't matter because he has the ball secured and his knee is down ruling the play over.
No, it's not over. Again, you have to complete the process of the catch. When Mike Pereira says it was called correctly, I believe him. Especially when you consider the actual rule.
Look at it this way. If someone would post an actual video of it that would be great because I haven't seen one yet.
I think most people understand the rule. The disagreement comes from how long the continuation of a catch lasts. I believe that the defender throwing Jarvis and taking the ball is after the play.
I watched it repeatedly on Saturday. And I agree with CycloneWorld - if Pereira says it's a good call, that's where I'm going as well. Jarvis catches the ball and his knee goes almost immediately down, and in the act of going to the ground he rolls over the defender and somehow the defender has the ball. I rewound that thing 50 times, and I can't see at what point the damn thing came out. Just that when they rolled over, the defender had the ball and Jarvis didn't.
It probably had as much to do with the ruling on the field as well, although I do believe they said "confirmed" on the announcement as well.
So what is considered down after a catch? If Jarvis catches the ball falls to his knees, is he down or can he get back up and run?
From the crappy gif and the pictures it seems like the ball comes out as Jarvis is above the defender.
The problem I have with Periera is that the rules people have a history of misinterpreting the rule. For example the Calvin Johnson play. I haven't seen it in forever but anyone whose honest with themselves knows that was a catch and he drops it while getting up to celebrate. That is why I don't take what Periera says as fact. Normally I think he is really good but this is one of the things where I don't trust him.
It was like a magic trick. One second he had it, the next he didnt. Usually you see some sort of bobbling or jostling for the ball, but it was just switched. Very weird play, but the correct/right call.
I mean that's true if you just completely disregard the rules of the game, yeah.
BS call. Knee down, ISU moving the chains, etc...
The call cost us momentum and the game, period.
I am glad the guys came out this past weekend and played hard though. If they play like that for every game the rest of the season, we most definitely will see a lot of positive growth from this team. And I mean in the W-L column.
Got to carry that attitude into next week and find a way to win.
The call cost us momentum and the game, period.
I am glad the guys came out this past weekend and played hard though. If they play like that for every game the rest of the season, we most definitely will see a lot of positive growth from this team. And I mean in the W-L column.
Got to carry that attitude into next week and find a way to win.
He's got some of the moves that the Rodgers brothers had at Oregon State. Quizz sees the field a decent amount for the Falcons.
Obviously he cannot get back up and run. Again, he must complete the process of the catch regardless if his knee is down. Let's forget about the interception for a second. If Jarvis has the ball with his knee down like the photos show but the ball hits the ground when the rest of his body hits, it is an INCOMPLETE pass. You cannot look only at the photo during a "process of the catch" review. This is essentially what happened except the ball ended up in the K-State defenders hands.
Again, this is not a "down by contact" discussion which many people seem to think.
I don't know about you, but I'm filing this thread under "it went against us thus it's a bad rule"
Like I said earlier, I'm not a big fan of the rule but by the rule book it is the right call whether you like it or not
I didn't read the rest of the thread. All that matters is when he completes the catch. If he completes the catch and then goes to the ground, he can drop it/lose possession, or have it change possession and it doesn't matter, the play is dead when he is down. If, however, he is completing the catch on his way to the ground, he must maintain possession, if the ball hits the ground it is incomplete, if the ball changes possession, the new player in possession of the ball must complete the catch. That is how the rules are stated and enforced.
This is it exactly. If he has possession established (per the rules*) before he goes to the ground, it doesn't matter what happens after his knee or other body part hits the ground ie. the ground cannot cause a fumble. However, if he hasn't satisfied the establishment of possession rule then he has to maintain possession through the entire process of going to the ground, not just the knee.
*The rules put a pretty high bar on establishing possession as to making a football move after making the catch. Jarvis did not have that opportunity.
If a player catches a screen pass on his knees, he is considered down,correct? If the player catches the ball on knees but the defender standing next to him rips the ball out, he is not down, correct?
