Pollard backs Rhoads

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Id maybe hope he reevaluated his hiring methods, but no way I want JP gone. If he continuously refused to fire CPR after 2-4 win seasons maybe, but I'm convinced that CPR needs to make a bowl game next season or JP will fire him.

Fair enough. It's just really tough for me to visualize any possible way Rhoads resurrects things at this point. His recruiting hasn't been great in the first place. You add two miserable seasons to that and I can't comprehend any possible way the recruiting improves. He hasn't shown the ability to develop under-recruited players that well up to this point. If he can't bring in better talent then I don't see how the overall product improves.

I think he found magic in a bottle when he had AJ Klein and Jake Knott at the same time. They delivered. It's been painful to watch since they ran out of eligibility.
 

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How can JP not back CPR? ISU is in no position to start over, and CPR has run a clean program. We all knew he was going to be back next year, so this does nothing but help the team with recruiting. There absolutely needs to be some coaching changes on the defensive side of the ball, and I don't expect Wally or his son to be here next year. Need to get someone in charge that will have the defense ready to go at the start of games.
 

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to ask, are we really upset at Pollard for saying this during the COACHES CALL IN SHOW??

"It's a place that you've got to have a chip on your shoulder and you've got to try to do something that others maybe are afraid to do or couldn't do or don't want to try to do," Pollard said on the show. "That's what inspires all of us to be here, and it's to climb a mountain that others have never gotten to the top. I look forward to continuing that journey with coach Rhoads and hopefully getting there."


"In the end, we've got to get better," Pollard said. "It's a game of results. Coach knows that, I know that, everybody know that. But, we're closer to it than I think we're further away, and we look forward to continuing to climb that mountain."

What did people expect him to say? Did people really think there was any chance Rhoads was being fired after the season?
 

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... "It's just really tough for me to visualize any possible"......return of the glory days for Iowa football as we probably will never find...... "magic in a bottle"..... like we did with Fry/Snyder/Alvarez .....


I filled in the blanks for hawk fans....
 

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to ask, are we really upset at Pollard for saying this during the COACHES CALL IN SHOW??



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What did people expect him to say? Did people really think there was any chance Rhoads was being fired after the season?

After 5 losing seasons in a row, I didn't think it was far fetched to think he may be fired.
 
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I agree he did well with his hires this past off season. But my question is, who is going to want to come in and be the DC when they know Rhoads has 1 year to win? I don't think many people.

I would also not be shocked if we lost some assistant coaches to different jobs this offseason.

Do you understand how coaches move through the ranks? One year at isu as DC would be better professionally than x number of years in the Mac.

When Rhoads is replaced there will be a lot of very good coaches that would take the job. Just because YOU don't know who they are yet doesn't mean anything. Only so many Power 5 hc jobs.
 

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I am sorry you missed my point. My point is he is always on here ******** about football saying he isn't going to the next game because they aren't winning, but then BB comes out and gets whipped by a team they should have whipped and he says nothing about that.

I know you can't compare what is going on in football and basketball right now. But imo if you are going to ***** about football losing you sure as hell better also ***** about the BB team getting whipped by a team they had no business even playing a close game with.
Because a basketball program that has had recent postseason success losing one game to a ranked team early in the season is equivalent to a football program that hasn't finished with a winning record since the 2009-2010 season winning two games in an entire season.
 

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Do you understand how coaches move through the ranks? One year at isu as DC would be better professionally than x number of years in the Mac.

When Rhoads is replaced there will be a lot of very good coaches that would take the job. Just because YOU don't know who they are yet doesn't mean anything. Only so many Power 5 hc jobs.

Let's say a DC from the Mac comes in, and after one year Rhoads is fired. You don't think he would be better off staying one more season in the Mac?
 

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LOL. And if he left for somewhere else at that point, everyone would have been up in arms.

In 2011, the contract was set to expire at the end of 2013, and there was just no reason to extend through 2021. None. Extend three years through 2016. If in 2011, 5 years wasn't enough to keep Rhoads around, then so be it. That would have been more than generous for the actual performance on the field.

After the 2012 season, extend another year through 2017 for making a bowl (if the team had won that bowl, instead of completely folding, you could even consider extending another year through 2018).

After the 2013 season, you might consider extending through 2018 (which is five seasons) to help snag Mangino and recruits, or you just let it slide at four seasons (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017) and see what Rhoads can do.

Now we come to the end of 2014 with a much more financially manageable situation if it is determined that a coaching change is needed.
 
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Jamie is "All In" that's for sure. Hope it turns out well for both of them.

I hope it turns out well for the FAN BASE.....We @ ISU have the greatest fan base in the whole country...don't believe me.

Just look south of us to the great state of Kansas....where when you lose not only is the stadiums empty but the high school students said in a survey that K-State was so bad in football and its reputation so bad that High School Juniors said they would NOT be attending said K-State U....Now how bad is that?

I have been in both those stadiums in November when NO one and I do mean NO one bothered to show up...

ISU fans have been both extremely patient and forgiving to a football program that continues to Under Achieve.

CyBobby Salutes you Cyclone Fans ..... You are the Greatest Fans in the World!
 

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Hope Pollard learns for the next guy to give him more money with fewer years or less guaranteed money, if extended.
 

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to ask, are we really upset at Pollard for saying this during the COACHES CALL IN SHOW??



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What did people expect him to say? Did people really think there was any chance Rhoads was being fired after the season?

Irrational as it may seem, I was expecting (hoping) they would have fired him on the sideline after the KU game in Lawrence.
 

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to ask, are we really upset at Pollard for saying this during the COACHES CALL IN SHOW??



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What did people expect him to say? Did people really think there was any chance Rhoads was being fired after the season?


He didn't have to go on the coaches show, he knew that question was coming and his response would go mainstream.
 

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to ask, are we really upset at Pollard for saying this during the COACHES CALL IN SHOW??



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What did people expect him to say? Did people really think there was any chance Rhoads was being fired after the season?

I think a simple "I know we haven't had the results our fans deserve, and I don't blame people for being mad. That being said, I continue to believe CPR is the right man to turn this around and I support him."

To me, all the rah-rah, climbing the mountain, closer than we are far away stuff is just the wrong tone given where our program, and our fan base, is right now. What do you mean we are closer than we are far away? We couldn't beat NDSU. We couldn't beat Kansas. We got absolutely pummeled by OU and BU. TCU is getting ready to do awful, unspeakable things to us.

I think most Iowa State fans can appreciate that CPR isn't going to get fired this year. I think most fans can understand that from both a financial standpoint and a results standpoint another year might make some sense. I just don't want JP to feed as a line of crap about how close we are given the way this year, and really last year as well, have gone.
 

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Who do you think wants to come lose here? We have a loyal gentleman who runs a pretty tight ship. We have lots of $$ (compared to where we were a few years ago) and its gonna take time to build up our roster.

The only way we get rid of CPR is if he cant sign recruits.

How's this? We are last in the B12 in recruiting at this point by a long shot. In fact, we are behind EVERY other Power 5 team. Doesn't look like a roster being built, but rather one continuing to fall further behind the teams we play every year.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/iowastate/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/BIG12/all
 

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All of you who think our program is in such bad shape, what would you be saying if we had beaten Texas the last two years? Will you admit that despite how terrible our program is, we had leads against Texas Tech and West Virginia? I know we lost the games, but we were good enough to play with these teams, even after having been depleted by injuries. Will you admit that we would have had a good chance at being bowl eligible if we hadn't been hit with so many injuries (suspend blaming the coaches for the injuries for a moment)? I don't think we should underestimate the significance of losing Bundrage and Farniok on the outcome of the NDSU game (after starting with a 14-0 lead that made even LakesBison sit there quietly). Yes, these are "what if's," but they are real "what if's." I don't think we can ignore that fact that we have shown that we can be competitive, even in this season that feels so dismal.

We have a good coach. Maybe not great, but certainly good. He has made very good hires of assistant coaches recently. He has gotten aggressive in the JUCO market (which may be the trend for the future for northern plains schools). We have some great WR including one who is only a freshman.

He is committed to the institution which means that he can honestly tell recruits that he intends to be there for their entire careers. Can Nick Saban say that with as much honesty as Paul Rhoads?

He is a good fundraiser and has worked well with Pollard to improve our facilities. And I suspect that Rhoads himself gives back very generously to the program.

Maybe I just have rose-colored glasses, but I think we were a few injuries and a few big plays away from having a much different result over the last two years. Of course, I'm frustrated that we lost so many games, but I won't deny that we were competitive in many of them. And that wasn't because we were lucky or someone was having mercy on us. It was because we have coaches and players that are pretty good.

Lastly, I think the best path for the future is to build on the present, not to discard what we currently have. A disruption in the head coach position would be the worst thing we could do. Even if we went after a new head coach, things would get much worse, not better. Can you imagine what our team will be like if we throw away a few years of recruiting?

Glad to hear Pollard coming out in support of Coach Rhoads.
 

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All of you who think our program is in such bad shape, what would you be saying if we had beaten Texas the last two years? Will you admit that despite how terrible our program is, we had leads against Texas Tech and West Virginia? I know we lost the games, but we were good enough to play with these teams, even after having been depleted by injuries. Will you admit that we would have had a good chance at being bowl eligible if we hadn't been hit with so many injuries (suspend blaming the coaches for the injuries for a moment)? I don't think we should underestimate the significance of losing Bundrage and Farniok on the outcome of the NDSU game (after starting with a 14-0 lead that made even LakesBison sit there quietly). Yes, these are "what if's," but they are real "what if's." I don't think we can ignore that fact that we have shown that we can be competitive, even in this season that feels so dismal.

We have a good coach. Maybe not great, but certainly good. He has made very good hires of assistant coaches recently. He has gotten aggressive in the JUCO market (which may be the trend for the future for northern plains schools). We have some great WR including one who is only a freshman.

He is committed to the institution which means that he can honestly tell recruits that he intends to be there for their entire careers. Can Nick Saban say that with as much honesty as Paul Rhoads?

He is a good fundraiser and has worked well with Pollard to improve our facilities. And I suspect that Rhoads himself gives back very generously to the program.

Maybe I just have rose-colored glasses, but I think we were a few injuries and a few big plays away from having a much different result over the last two years. Of course, I'm frustrated that we lost so many games, but I won't deny that we were competitive in many of them. And that wasn't because we were lucky or someone was having mercy on us. It was because we have coaches and players that are pretty good.

Lastly, I think the best path for the future is to build on the present, not to discard what we currently have. A disruption in the head coach position would be the worst thing we could do. Even if we went after a new head coach, things would get much worse, not better. Can you imagine what our team will be like if we throw away a few years of recruiting?

Glad to hear Pollard coming out in support of Coach Rhoads.

Showing we can be competitive for approximately 1/2 of a game against subpar conference opponents isn't exactly a compelling reason to support CPR.

I also get the injuries argument, but football is a violent game. You have to plan for injuries and have the required depth to overcome them. That's where recruiting comes in, and that's where we've often fallen short.