Mishandling the Press

CyBri

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I was really impressed with Thomas breaking the press. He wasn't recruited as a point guard or someone to break the press but he did just fine. There were a couple issues but every team WV has played has had a lot of issues with the press. Give the guys their due. They got pressured and fouled all game long and didn't turn the ball over much.
 

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Morris and Thomas need to stop with this stutter step nonsense when bringing the ball up the court with one man in front of them. They are trying to avoid all contact with misdirection and it makes the one man in front of them way too powerful/effective in slowing the ball down, which helps their press cause way more trouble than it should. Just go at them at an angle to get around and/or draw the blocking foul. Niang did this a few times towards the end of the second half and got the ball forward very effectively. No fanciness needed.
These guys have also been mishandling their free throws. Underhanded lobs is the best technique for shooting the free shots.
 

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That may be what was going on - a way to try and reduce turnovers. I feel that Monte in particular, though, could blow by his defender and/or draw the foul. Thomas not so much, don't really like to see him bring it up in the first place (obviously foul trouble caused some of that).

Matt has been known to dribble into trouble in the corners or the end line or the midcourt line. He calls timeouts sometimes.

Abdel breaks the press like a rocket man. Give him the ball and he is off to the races.
 

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Morris and Thomas need to stop with this stutter step nonsense when bringing the ball up the court with one man in front of them. They are trying to avoid all contact with misdirection and it makes the one man in front of them way too powerful/effective in slowing the ball down, which helps their press cause way more trouble than it should. Just go at them at an angle to get around and/or draw the blocking foul. Niang did this a few times towards the end of the second half and got the ball forward very effectively. No fanciness needed.

Like my mom says, "Sometimes it's best to just ignore people." That's what I'm going to choose to do here, and resist my urge to completely lambaste this guy...
 

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Just checked.

Monte averages 0.9 turnovers a game.

He had 1 yesterday.

So, OP is correct. Monte did worse than average yesterday.

Yes but he instantly stole it back and we scored. It was all a part of his plan. OP missed the genius involved.

Edit: I see that this has been mentioned. :)
 
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Cydkar

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My point isn't about Morris's turnovers or how good his handles are, but in how he is wasting time at the beginning of possessions when there is a press of any kind. Isn't one of our main strengths tempo? Needlessly slowing things down like that plays into the defender's hands.

If avoiding a turnover is wasting time sign me up. Some presses are designed to slow a team down and some are designed for turnovers. WVU's goal is to turn you over because they shoot like Iowa. A few extra seconds to avoid a turnover is time well spent.
 

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I'm happy we won, but since that wasn't the last game of the season, why act as though there aren't ways we could get even better? To get better, ISU should focus on what it can control instead of what it can't (e.g. bad officiating, which was a big factor yesterday). A big reason we won yesterday was Nader playing exceptionally well and having a lot of shots fall. Those things will not always happen.

With that said, our tempo may not necessarily loose us games either. I'm really just wondering why we would want to slow things down in certain man situations (1:1 at 2/3 court) and would rather us push for tempo and to try and draw blocking fouls.

What does "loose us games" mean? Does it mean we are not as tight? I am not sure what that means.
 

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The purpose of a press is to get you sped up. I'm pretty sure the strategy you've just described of bringing the ball up the floor is speeding it up. Anyone who has ever played basketball has learned you beat the press through the pass not through the dribble. All things considered, I thought we handed the press well, and when we didn't it was because we got sped up.

And I love his strategy of trying to draw a foul against a team that was not getting called for fouls ALL NIGHT. That makes perfect sense. We would have "Loost" the game easily. (I know Lost doesn't have two o's.)
 

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That may be what was going on - a way to try and reduce turnovers. I feel that Monte in particular, though, could blow by his defender and/or draw the foul. Thomas not so much, don't really like to see him bring it up in the first place (obviously foul trouble caused some of that).

Wow! I didn't think it possible that this were a serious thread, but it appears this loon is for real.
 

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I think the OP has a point. I agree that not turning the ball over is key and passing the ball out vs.dribbling is usually the method for beating the press. But when it takes 10 seconds to get the ball up and you have to play out of a half court set, the press worked. Would the point running it a few more plays caused a turnover or created a mismatch who knows, but they did seem to play a little more conservative as compared to Nader and Niang. We won the game we still beat their press more often than not. Think we were hoping that given our better shooting, we would humiliated them for attempting it, that wasn't the case.
 

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What does "loose us games" mean? Does it mean we are not as tight? I am not sure what that means.

Tuco has the solution.

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Matt has been known to dribble into trouble in the corners or the end line or the midcourt line. He calls timeouts sometimes.

Abdel breaks the press like a rocket man. Give him the ball and he is off to the races.

It's stuff like this that convinces me he's not a very smart basketball player. Suspect decision making and poor anticipation. I was hoping this year he'd be more improved in that area, since he's otherwise gifted athletically.

Didn't he have a play where, on the press, he threw the ball away, got it back, and then proceeded to immediately throw it away again by firing it out of bounds to nobody?
 

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It's stuff like this that convinces me he's not a very smart basketball player. Suspect decision making and poor anticipation. I was hoping this year he'd be more improved in that area, since he's otherwise gifted athletically.

Didn't he have a play where, on the press, he threw the ball away, got it back, and then proceeded to immediately throw it away again by firing it out of bounds to nobody?

I think Matt played the press just fine all things considered but I think there are times where he looks like he desperately wants to get the ball out of his hands. Not just in the press but sometimes even in the halfcourt.
 

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It's stuff like this that convinces me he's not a very smart basketball player. Suspect decision making and poor anticipation. I was hoping this year he'd be more improved in that area, since he's otherwise gifted athletically.

Didn't he have a play where, on the press, he threw the ball away, got it back, and then proceeded to immediately throw it away again by firing it out of bounds to nobody?

I've seen him make enough really good passes and grab enough rebounds out of position to prove his basketball IQ is average to above average. The game was played fast. Sometimes too fast for him. That's what WV does. He's still a sophomore and playing pretty well in his role.
 

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I've seen him make enough really good passes and grab enough rebounds out of position to prove his basketball IQ is average to above average. The game was played fast. Sometimes too fast for him. That's what WV does. He's still a sophomore and playing pretty well in his role.


Totally agree. Thomas has a knack for playing passive and not forcing. That said you could tell Hoiberg's plan was to push, beat the press, and score. The quick decisions and aggressive errant turnovers are the result of that style.
 

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