Yes it is a sure thing. They have no athleticism. It's just annoying watching a team move up in the rankings while beating nobody of substance. The way Iowa is heading it looks like UNI will finish the regular season with only one top 50 win. That's pathetic.
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Yes it is a sure thing. They have no athleticism. It's just annoying watching a team move up in the rankings while beating nobody of substance. The way Iowa is heading it looks like UNI will finish the regular season with only one top 50 win. That's pathetic.
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Okay, you're right, I didn't phrase that well. What I really meant was, what about UNI says they don't deserve to be a 2-3 seed? Can you really prove Arizona, Utah, Kansas, OU, ISU, and Villanova are ahead of UNI, especially if UNI finishes 31-2 (presumably with three wins over Wichita at that point) and the MVC title? Obviously only one of Arizona/Utah can win the Pac. Same with Kansas/ISU/OU in the Big 12.
I guess I struggle to believe UNI is clearly so much worse at the end of the season than the third-place Big 12 team, as many posters on here would argue. UNI wins essentially all of their games. Against weaker competition, yes, but it's still quite a feat.
So baylor and ou who had worse losses are going to make up 200 plus points and jump us? No... we are 30 points back from UNC and they lost to a worse team on the road and had no win. We are at worst staying put at best up to 12.
If you think they have no athleticism, you haven't watched UNI play this year. They play slower than ISU (as most teams do) but they are very athletic. Washpun, Singleton, Tuttle, Morgan, and Mitchell are all very athletic. Also, is Georges Niang a great athlete? Because last I checked, he's still a finalist for the Wooden award.
I compared UNI to six teams in my post. Utah is 3-4 against the top 50. Arizona is 4-0. Those guys aren't exactly playing a rigorous schedule... And Utah is 3-0 at home against the top 50 and 0-4 on the road. They have done nothing to separate themselves from UNI in that category.
Of those Washpun and maybe Morgan are the only ones who are athletic. Certainty not on the level of players on the teams you are comparing them too. You must not watch much basketball if you can't see the difference, there's a reason why Iowa State are not offering their players out of high school. I will give Ben Credit for doing a great job of developing these guys, but most of them could not cut it as regulars in a power 5 conference.
I'm sorry to turn this into another UNI thread but AMarner do you honestly think UNI would have the same record as ISU if they played the same schedule?
Well, most everybody lost behind us except WSU so I would say #15. Possibly #14 since our loss is better than UNC and they didn't have a second game to offset it this week. Looking at it now, Maryland might actually jump us.
8 Kansas
9 Louisville
10 Notre Dame
11 Utah
12 North Carolina
13 Northern Iowa
14 Iowa State
15 Wichita St
16 Baylor
17 Oklahoma
18 Butler
19 Maryland
20 Virginia Commonwealth
21 Oklahoma St
21 West Virginia
23 Ohio State
24 Arkansas
25 SMU
Looking at it now, Maryland might actually jump us.
8 Kansas
9 Louisville
10 Notre Dame
11 Utah
12 North Carolina
13 Northern Iowa
14 Iowa State
15 Wichita St
16 Baylor
17 Oklahoma
18 Butler
19 Maryland
20 Virginia Commonwealth
21 Oklahoma St
21 West Virginia
23 Ohio State
24 Arkansas
25 SMU
Looking at it now, Maryland might actually jump us.
You have to prove you are a 2-seed, it is not up to others to prove you are not...which is almost impossible to do when playing in the MVC. There is no margin for error to do that in a conference like that, and unfortunately UNI lost to Evansville.
I'm on AMarners' side on this one. When you lose two games in a season (one @ a top-25 team in double OT, one egg laid similar to ISU@TTU) you get my vote. People keep asking the question if UNI played our schedule, would they have as many wins. Very possibly? I mean, we laid 3 eggs this season that UNI or ISU should win. Maryland (whom Iowa murdered), South Carolina and TTU.
Maybe the better question is, would we have a better record if we played UNI schedule? I would say no, not with how inconsistent we are. I see us having the same record they currently have with their schedule.
Maybe the better question is, would we have a better record if we played UNI schedule? I would say no, not with how inconsistent we are. I see us having the same record they currently have with their schedule.
The valley is a ******* joke. UNI is a nice team, but they are a max 5 seed. What exactly have they done to earn anything higher than a 5? Here are there best wins from the RPI
#13 WSU
#51 Iowa
#54 SFA
They have 1 top 50 win over another mid-major. ONE TOP 50 WIN. ISU got that many in the last 48 hours. UNI will lose at WSU, make the finals of the MVC tournament, and end up a 7 seed.
If UNI wants to join the big dogs of college basketball maybe they should schedule better. Gonzaga at least plays somebody in November and December.
#13 WSU
#51 Iowa
#54 SFA
They have 1 top 50 win over another mid-major. ONE TOP 50 WIN. ISU got that many in the last 48 hours. UNI will lose at WSU, make the finals of the MVC tournament, and end up a 7 seed.
If UNI wants to join the big dogs of college basketball maybe they should schedule better. Gonzaga at least plays somebody in November and December.
Which tells you right there they are not, and shouldn't be a two-seed. We would be lucky to be a 3 right now, and more likely a 4 or 5.
This isn't a UNI "hate" thing. Why would anyone hate UNI basketball? They don't matter enough to hate. There are simply too many schools that would have their record with their schedule, with likely a lot less close games.
They certainly have a well-balanced and disciplined team that will give more talented teams fits come March. After beating up on the Drakes of the world they will also be very confident, which is critical. Like about 30 other teams, if things go their way they could make a good run.
Who cares if Kansas plays at Wichita? It was unique to our state for the 4 in-state teams to play each other home or away. It would help our SOS more often than it would hurt it.
Not sure. But is that really the debate? Would Kentucky be undefeated if they played in the Big 12? I doubt it. Does that mean they are any worse of a team? No. UNI is not even close to Kentucky but they are still a pretty good team. Also, Tuttle has absolutely shredded the good teams UNI has played. He's a beast. He would get serious playing time in the Big 12.
Also, Final42b, Monte weighs about 170 soaking wet with a brick in each pocket. Georges has been out of shape most of his career. They are arguably our two best players, yet you wouldn't immediately look at either of them and think "great college basketball player" if you saw them in public. Being the best athlete does not automatically equate to being the best basketball player. I didn't even mention Paul Jesperson from UNI, who played 25 minutes per game at Virginia before transferring to UNI.
UNI is a good team. There are facts to back that up. They compare pretty well with Utah and Arizona, who are likely going to be in that 2-3 seed range.
I think we would have a worse record with their schedule and they would have a worse one with Ours. Defensive teams win on the road against crap teams but also can lose to better teams at home.
They are a good team but a 4 seed unless they run the table and win their tournament. Then a 3.
Might want to check your facts. UNI has played three top 50 teams, with another one guaranteed and a 3rd matchup with Wichita fairly likely. That would be five total games against the top 50. Gonzaga has played five games against the top 50 and nobody else in their conference is in the top 50, so it is likely both UNI and Gonzaga will have played five top 50 teams.
