Maybe because they are highly ranked by the AP and coaches. And they are in the top 20 in RPI. Why should we treat them like a mid major when they are ranked up there with the big boys?
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Maybe because they are highly ranked by the AP and coaches. And they are in the top 20 in RPI. Why should we treat them like a mid major when they are ranked up there with the big boys?
This is my main beef. No way should the MVC have 2 top 13 teams When the B12 has 1. Yes they are the only 2 good teams and are a cut above the rest but I think UNI is comparable team to WVU and Wichita State to KSU. WSU has beat nobody. UNI is a good team and is comparable to the 2-7 cluster of big 12 teams and WSU step below.
Wich State and UNI now have zero impressive wins between the two outside of playing each other. Iowa is down to 50s RPI now so a neutral win against them is nothing special (I was at the game and UNI had that think turned into a home court anyway).
Wich State is 0-2 in games against quality opponents. George Washington who handled WSU is now all the way down to 74 RPI. UNI lost to something called an Evanston?
There is no way ISU or Louisville should be ranked lower than any MVC school. It's not like one of them beat Duke in the non conf or something. It's all a house of cards based on no quality wins.
Wich State is 0-2 in games against quality opponents. George Washington who handled WSU is now all the way down to 74 RPI. UNI lost to something called an Evanston?
There is no way ISU or Louisville should be ranked lower than any MVC school. It's not like one of them beat Duke in the non conf or something. It's all a house of cards based on no quality wins.
They would finish 4th-7th if you swapped them with a B12 team, WSU possibly as low as 8th. That's not a slam, it's saying both are tournament teams, but there is no way that either of them is above KU, ISU or OU in the conference standings as of now if they played 15-20 RPI top 50 games this year instead of TWO.
Which is why they won't be a top 4 seed likely. It is looking likely that each of their only top 50 wins could be against each other. With each having a sub top 50 loss.
WSU holding onto that win against #47 Tulsa as the only thing on their resume.
If ISU ever had a season where #47 RPI was our best win we wouldn't even qualify for the NIT because we'd likely have a losing record...WSU - #13 AP ranking for beating one average team.
Because the rankings don't accurately reflect their accomplishments so far? Because your program isn't automatically elevated to the level it gets to in it's best year in school history? Because UNI doesn't have to play anywhere near as tough of a schedule as most Power 5 conference teams?
I'm not saying be a **** and act like our team couldn't possibly lose to them because of their conference, I'm saying recognize that UNI has to face much much less adversity day in and day out compared to their peers in the rankings right now.
Here are the Kenpom SOSs for the top 15 teams:
1. Kentucky-24
2. Virginia-21
3. Gonzaga-81
4. Duke-12
5. Wisconsin-43
6. Villanova-31
7. Arizona-47
8. Kansas-1
9. Utah-62
10. Notre Dame-119
11. N. Iowa-144
12. Louisville-36
13. WSU-101
14. Iowa St.-30
15. North Carolina-2
16. Maryland-50
17. Oklahoma-4
18. Arkansas-77
19. Butler-32
20. Baylor-7
The numbers speak for themselves, and they are only getting worse for UNI and WSU.
Notre Dame, I have no idea how they managed that, they should be embarrassed. They do at least have some decent wins like Duke, @UNC, MSU, but woof. That's bad for a P5 team.
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Exactly, isu has 5 wins vs top 25 teams and neither of these guys really have a quality win
I actually watched some of these recent games for each vs 3rd place Illinois State. They are comparable to Tech and TCU at best, possibly better disciplined but nowhere near as talented as either of those. It is a huge drop down to #3 in that league.
When the 3rd place team has no shot at an NCAA birth, it's ridiculous to have two other teams in the top 13 of the rankings with no impressive wins between them.
Which is what the committee actually uses officially. We are only going to get better in all those metrics.
For the numbers I'm using (kenpom) our avg opponent left is 33.8, and we have 6 games left in the regular season.
UNI has 4 games left and their avg is 140.25.
And that's not even accounting for conference tourneys where the gap will only get wider.
Hooray for Ben and his Panthers!!! Where can I get some Panther tourney gear so I can support our in-state team!!! Wooo!! Am I doing this right?
Oh, and to answer your highlighted question - their entire "fan base."
I still don't understand this argument that I see over and over and over on CF. Texas Tech and TCU would still be garbage in the MVC. Tech lost by 18 on a neutral court to the 6th place team in the MVC. Bradley, the last place team in the MVC, lost by 3 at Kansas State and by 8 on a neutral court against TCU. Those two teams are absolutely terrible and would be playing on Thursday in St. Louis for the MVC Tournament.
As for the rest of the Big 12, yes they are certainly better than teams 3-10 in the MVC. I think UNI and Wichita State would be mixed in that log jam in the middle of the Big 12 standings.
However, please stop saying Texas Tech and TCU would be the in the top half of the MVC... and Illinois State is the 5th place team in the MVC, not the 3rd place team FWIW.
You don't see how 3rd place Illinois State sucks donkey balls compared to 3rd place Oklahoma? Thanks for playing and displaying that you don't live in this reality.
Drop Illinois State in the Big 12 and they are fighting TCU and Tech for the bottom spot. TCU is really talented, they were undefeated in the part of the season they got to play MVC caliber schedule. Look up what happened when TCU (who would be the MVC's most athletic and big team) played MVC caliber non-conf, undefeated.
Not sure if serious... did you even read my post? or did you just read the first sentence?
What were these teams seeded when they made their runs in the NCAA? No where near top ten in the country. There is almost always a Cinderella story in the NCAA each year because of matchups and teams getting hot. Fluke games happen all the time. Was Florida Gulf Coast really a top 16 team in the country a few years back?
This whole UNI thing is a ******* joke. They are likely not even going to win their conference to begin with. Second place in the MVC does not deserve a top 4 seed.
