Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[alarson]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Some of the responses to this piece are just plain ridiculous. I especially don't get the crowd hating on BB for writing this article "just to get clicks" on CF. Although a lot of Blum's pieces are fun to read, a columnist doesn't write them to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside but rather give a unique perspective on a particular story. In this case, I thought he did lay out a unique perspective about the timing of Hoiberg's departure IF he does happen to leave ISU. Yes, he didn't present any new "facts", but the truth is nobody that has been writing about this situation has presented any new facts either. Enjoyed the piece, BB, even if it was a bit hard to swallow as a fanatic.

Is it really that unique? Its largely the same stuff we've known and countless people have posted for the entirety of Hoiberg's tenure.

 

[cymac2408]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred were to leave, I don't believe I have a nutcup big enough for that kick in the nards.

 

[BCoffClone125]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Is it really that unique? Its largely the same stuff we've known and countless people have posted for the entirety of Hoiberg's tenure.

How many other people have written about the timing of Fred's departure (if he does go) and how it may affect the MBB program as a whole? What I got out of it was that the best coaching transitions usually do happen when the coach leaving is at the top of their game and has left a talented roster for the next guy coming in. Not that ISU is at either of these levels quite yet in bball, but think of Harbaugh-Shaw at Stanford or Kelly-Helfrich at Oregon. Both those coaches made the jumps to the NFL while they were at their peaks and had gotten talent into the program so the next coach up had something to work with. They didn't wait until they were on the decline and as a result there has been little, if any, drop-off in either of those programs even with a new head coach. Looking at this rationally, if CFH is going to leave we would rather have him not go out while the cupboard is bare (like it may be after this year). Between that and a new coach, it may be very hard for ISU to get back to the level it was under Hoiberg. Maybe it was just me, but I hadn't really thought of it that way until I read Blum's piece.

 

[VeloClone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I would prefer that Fred satisfies his jones for a national championship - or four - before he makes sure the cupboard is stocked and moves on to the NBA.

 

[Dingus]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Hoiberg left for the NBA and later wanted to come back, he'd be hired at first reasonable opportunity. We haven't had a coach longer than about 5 years since Orr.

I think Hoiberg is the best coach ISU has ever had, but it would be unfortunate if his best achievements ended up as 1 Sweet 16 (4 appearances), two Big 12 tourney championships, and one tied for 2nd place in the conference regular season. Results-wise, that's pretty darn close to Tim Floyd, and below Eustachy.

I do wonder if he's completely ready as a coach as he may only get one shot at the NBA.

 

[hoosman]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I don't see why he would go from NBA to ISU and then back to NBA again so soon. Also, if I had a heart condition, I would think long and hard before ratcheting up the stress levels several notches. The last guy that left ISU as HC for the Bulls failed miserably.

 

[WastedTalent]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I realize this is hard for us Fanatics to understand because we're loyal Cyclone fans, but Fred making a decision this summer, has less to do with Iowa St, and more to do with opportunity.

If the opportunity to be HC at a top 5 team in the NBA, in one of the top 3 markets in the country, with a personal connection managing the team, a nucleus of players that are in their prime, with a team that has routinely been to the playoffs, and a franchise that has a history of championships, then Fred has to listen.

After that, it really just comes down to how he feels, and by the time this is all over, then we'll have our answer.

If he stays in Ames, then he probably feels he has unfinished business, goals left to obtain, and a great team coming back that can reach those goals.

If he decided to go pro, then it's pretty obvious that he has a greater passion for the NBA, and wanted to pursue a great opportunity while he had the chance.

It's hard for some of us to understand, because we love Iowa St so much, but you wish him luck, thank him for bringing us out of the pit, and hope to hell JP hires the right guy to follow.

 

[Cpech56]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I realize this is hard for us Fanatics to understand because we're loyal Cyclone fans, but Fred making a decision this summer, has less to do with Iowa St, and more to do with opportunity.

If the opportunity to be HC at a top 5 team in the NBA, in one of the top 3 markets in the country, with a personal connection managing the team, a nucleus of players that are in their prime, with a team that has routinely been to the playoffs, and a franchise that has a history of championships, then Fred has to listen.

After that, it really just comes down to how he feels, and by the time this is all over, then we'll have our answer.

If he stays in Ames, then he probably feels he has unfinished business, goals left to obtain, and a great team coming back that can reach those goals.

If he decided to go pro, then it's pretty obvious that he has a greater passion for the NBA, and wanted to pursue a great opportunity while he had the chance.

It's hard for some of us to understand, because we love Iowa St so much, but you wish him luck, thank him for bringing us out of the pit, and hope to hell JP hires the right guy to follow.

You make a lot of good points, great post. For myself personally its not that I don't believe he wont go pro or would hold it against him for choosing to do so. It's been about the guys speculating about speculations that escalated this to the next level. Trying to be the Dan Patricks and Bill Simmons of the world to those that may not already listen to guys like that.

 

[CyTwins]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

A quick review of the last week...

There have been two articles written stating that...

1. Thibs is likely gone (which we've known all year)
2. Bulls will have interest in Fred (which we've known all year)
3. Hoiberg has interest in coaching in the NBA someday (which we've known since he took the ISU job)

There has been absolutely nothing written in the last week that we didn't know already, and this site is in full-blown meltdown mode...CW even said he thinks he'll be back (and that's if you put a gun to his head).

Why would Matt leave if he had an opportunity to go to the NBA with Fred?

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Why would Matt leave if he had an opportunity to go to the NBA with Fred?

I think that Matt might not have the opportunity to go to NBA with Fred as an assistant. Fred wants to win and knows that Matt's strengths are recruiting, which is not needed in the NBA. So while I'm sure that Matt would have a place with the NBA team that Fred would go to, maybe he knew that if he wanted to be an assistant he would have to stay in the college game.

And I doubt that this whole thing is some huge conspiracy. I firmly believe that TJ came back thinking that Fred was going to leave soon and he has been told be Pollard that he is the replacement. But I doubt that TJ knew that it was going to be this year (if it is).

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I think that Matt might not have the opportunity to go to NBA with Fred as an assistant. Fred wants to win and knows that Matt's strengths are recruiting, which is not needed in the NBA. So while I'm sure that Matt would have a place with the NBA team that Fred would go to, maybe he knew that if he wanted to be an assistant he would have to stay in the college game.

And I doubt that this whole thing is some huge conspiracy. I firmly believe that TJ came back thinking that Fred was going to leave soon and he has been told be Pollard that he is the replacement. But I doubt that TJ knew that it was going to be this year (if it is). I do think that TJ must believe Fred is leaving within a couple of years though.

 

[isu81]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Sometimes personal life goals are supplanted by other priorities. My guess, not knowing Fred, is he has a set of priorities that includes personal goals, family, friends, legacy, Iowa State, income and his faith, not necessarily in that order.

The thoughts on this board by all of us mirror image our priorities onto Fred. No one knows for sure except Fred. Blum included.

We could all write the Blum article with a different perspective and by the end of tomorrow we all will have on this message board, or at least thought it, and a fair number of us will disagree with some and find common ground with others. Pollard has a great perspective - not going to worry about it. Most of us, myself included, do think about it however, at least a little.

My $0.02 (pure speculation)
1. CFH wants to leave ISU in a better place than he found it. Done
2. CFH isn't terribly concerned about the money of the NBA over the money he makes at ISU. Agreed
3. CFH Doesn't wants to spend time with his family and can do more of that in Ames than anywhere with an NBA head coaching job. This is even more true with the health factor thrown in. Not necessarily true.
4. CFH wants to shape the future of young men, not babysit grown men. 2013-14 team starters were, on average, older than many NBA teams. And you don't think he babysat this year's team?
5. CFH has that lingering question - what if? when it comes to the NBA. Yes- this is why he leaves at some point.
6. CFH needs to coach for than 5 years at ISU to become a lasting legend as opposed to a footnote - after all, how many really remember Cael Sanderson, and how many will remember him 10 years from now? He was an ISU legend before he coached a game.

So... my guess is CFH is at ISU for a long time. His ego will be stroked sufficiently simply by being offered an NBA head coaching position.

Safe place to post since this will be burried within minutes

Good thoughts. Just other ways to look at them.

 

[NorthCyd]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I think that Matt might not have the opportunity to go to NBA with Fred as an assistant. Fred wants to win and knows that Matt's strengths are recruiting, which is not needed in the NBA. So while I'm sure that Matt would have a place with the NBA team that Fred would go to, maybe he knew that if he wanted to be an assistant he would have to stay in the college game.

And I doubt that this whole thing is some huge conspiracy. I firmly believe that TJ came back thinking that Fred was going to leave soon and he has been told be Pollard that he is the replacement. But I doubt that TJ knew that it was going to be this year (if it is).

He met Fred while he was working for the T-Wolves. If Matt wanted to work for Fred in the NBA I'm sure he could find a spot for him. He's not just a recruiter.

 

[brentblum]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

How many other people have written about the timing of Fred's departure (if he does go) and how it may affect the MBB program as a whole? What I got out of it was that the best coaching transitions usually do happen when the coach leaving is at the top of their game and has left a talented roster for the next guy coming in. Not that ISU is at either of these levels quite yet in bball, but think of Harbaugh-Shaw at Stanford or Kelly-Helfrich at Oregon. Both those coaches made the jumps to the NFL while they were at their peaks and had gotten talent into the program so the next coach up had something to work with. They didn't wait until they were on the decline and as a result there has been little, if any, drop-off in either of those programs even with a new head coach. Looking at this rationally, if CFH is going to leave we would rather have him not go out while the cupboard is bare (like it may be after this year). Between that and a new coach, it may be very hard for ISU to get back to the level it was under Hoiberg. Maybe it was just me, but I hadn't really thought of it that way until I read Blum's piece.

This was the exact point of the column. Thanks all for reading and discussing, I know it is not an enjoyable topic to think about.

 

[CyDude16]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Round of applause for Blum, Williams and Rob for getting the page clicks the past few days.... Sauve message board men, right there.

 

[CyDude16]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I think that Matt might not have the opportunity to go to NBA with Fred as an assistant. Fred wants to win and knows that Matt's strengths are recruiting, which is not needed in the NBA. So while I'm sure that Matt would have a place with the NBA team that Fred would go to, maybe he knew that if he wanted to be an assistant he would have to stay in the college game.

And I doubt that this whole thing is some huge conspiracy. I firmly believe that TJ came back thinking that Fred was going to leave soon and he has been told be Pollard that he is the replacement. But I doubt that TJ knew that it was going to be this year (if it is).

jsb, just because you keep repeating that last paragraph since tj was hired, doesn't make it true.

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

jsb, just because you keep repeating that last paragraph since tj was hired, doesn't make it true.

and just because you think I'm wrong doesn't mean I am.

Look I am still hopeful Fred doesn't leave. But if he does I have little hope that tj isn't going to get the job.

 

[IASTATE4LIFE]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I realize this is hard for us Fanatics to understand because we're loyal Cyclone fans, but Fred making a decision this summer, has less to do with Iowa St, and more to do with opportunity.

If the opportunity to be HC at a top 5 team in the NBA, in one of the top 3 markets in the country, with a personal connection managing the team, a nucleus of players that are in their prime, with a team that has routinely been to the playoffs, and a franchise that has a history of championships, then Fred has to listen.

After that, it really just comes down to how he feels, and by the time this is all over, then we'll have our answer.

If he stays in Ames, then he probably feels he has unfinished business, goals left to obtain, and a great team coming back that can reach those goals.

If he decided to go pro, then it's pretty obvious that he has a greater passion for the NBA, and wanted to pursue a great opportunity while he had the chance.

It's hard for some of us to understand, because we love Iowa St so much, but you wish him luck, thank him for bringing us out of the pit, and hope to hell JP hires the right guy to follow.

Very well said. I really don't want Fred to leave, but part of me thinks he would be crazy not to. Every person on this board should look in the mirror and say: The Chicago Bulls want me to be their next head coach. Could you say no to that? A boy from Ames Iowa could be the coach of the Chicago Bulls. That is pretty cool. I love Iowa State basketball, but we are not the Bulls. I will root hard for Fred no matter what.

 

[acoustimac]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Nothing new here...move along...

 

[cyclonedave25]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Very well said. I really don't want Fred to leave, but part of me thinks he would be crazy not to. Every person on this board should look in the mirror and say: The Chicago Bulls want me to be their next head coach. Could you say no to that? A boy from Ames Iowa could be the coach of the Chicago Bulls. That is pretty cool. I love Iowa State basketball, but we are not the Bulls. I will root hard for Fred no matter what.

If I were in Fred's shoes, it would be easy for me to say no because I despise the NBA. I would much rather make my name known in college bball and be the next Coach K.