Throwback Thread: COACHING SEARCH: Wednesday, Nov. 25 evening update

Gunnerclone

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Like I've been saying all of these guys mentioned have the same chances of feasting or flopping here, so just pick one and get on with it.
 

gocubs2118

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He won 6 titles in 8 years. THey'd won zero before that. He did something right I'd say.

Why don't you go check Grand Valley States record before Kelly took over before you say he built something and Leipold didn't? 11-1 and 10-2 before the Head Coach left to become the OC at Notre Dame. So the program was built before him, but that doesn't make what he did over the next 13 years any less impressive.

Stop bringing up Brian Kelly. When you only have one example of something working, it's probably not a good idea.
 

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I'm really selling my soul for being like this, but honestly, I don't care if ISU hires a total d***head. As long as that d***head wins a large amount of football games, let him run his course. Once the program is heightened, then maybe look into someone who is more "likable".

Carl Pelini, COME ON DOWN!
 

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I am surprised that we aren't showing interest in Frost. Surprised first, that he has apparently stated he wants the job/is interested and moreso that if that's the case, we aren't reciprocating. That should tell us that we are going for someone that has HC experience if you ask me.
 

swarthmoreCY

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He won 6 titles in 8 years. THey'd won zero before that. He did something right I'd say.

Why don't you go check Grand Valley States record before Kelly took over before you say he built something and Leipold didn't? 11-1 and 10-2 before the Head Coach left to become the OC at Notre Dame. So the program was built before him, but that doesn't make what he did over the next 13 years any less impressive.

Winning at UW-W was like winning at OU or NU. Big difference between GVSt and UW-W, and D2 and D3. Never mind the fact just because Kelly worked, means it isn't a longshot or anomaly. That being your main argument is about as dumb as those saying he won't work because Gill failed to go from UB to the Big 12.

Again, anyone with decent reasoning skills should be able yo see the hesitation is justified. It could work, but we don't have the AD for it to be much more than a shot in the dark.
 

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The ability to recruit talent to Ames...that is the vast majority of concern with this hire. Talent wins..period. Leipold hasn't exactly improved Buffalo recruiting in his year and half. The 2015 and 2016 classes are no diff than 2013 and 2014. Granted it's Buffalo. I'm not saying I like or don't like Leipold. But these current HC have a history in recruiting to go off of. The one coach who has improved his teams recruiting is Fritz. Actually I've seen several recruits CPR is/was going after that had a Georgia Southern offer. That would never have happened 3-4 years ago. What I like about Fritz is he knows the juco market better than maybe any coach in college football. We cannot hire a coach that thinks they have what it takes to jist recruit Hs kids...it will never ever work at ISU(this was CPR downfall IMO, hit jucos too late in his tenure)

I'm really liking Frtiz the more I read. They are a tough football team that runs ball better than anyone and plays great D.
 

BBHMagic

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Brian Kelly went to the MAC and took scalps at CMU.

Leipold is 5-6.

This would be a laughingstock hire the likes of which we've never seen. I mean, he MIGHT work, but this is a total gamble when there are proven commodities who are interested.

The thing is we won't know how the interview goes. What if he completely kills it and really has a vision and detailed plan for ISU? Will you automatically not support him or ISU because you don't think his resume is good enough? We shouldn't jump to judgement on any of the candidates Chris listed. They are all there for a reason. Just because we don't know the reasons doesn't mean they aren't worthy.
 

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So we might be getting Leipold a year or two earlier than we'd like, so what? That probably is the only way we get him over a bigger school to begin with.

Any coach we hire is going to be a risk....any coach. We aren't hiring a top 20 coach, so they're all risks after that. Might as well go get a guy that could pay off big as he's not only won before, but won BIG, and won CONSISTENTLY.


Les Miles?
 

Gunnerclone

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The ability to recruit talent to Ames...that is the vast majority of concern with this hire. Talent wins..period. Leipold hasn't exactly improved Buffalo recruiting in his year and half. The 2015 and 2016 classes are no diff than 2013 and 2014. Granted it's Buffalo. I'm not saying I like or don't like Leipold. But these current HC have a history in recruiting to go off of. The one coach who has improved his teams recruiting is Fritz. Actually I've seen several recruits CPR is/was going after that had a Georgia Southern offer. That would never have happened 3-4 years ago. What I like about Fritz is he knows the juco market better than maybe any coach in college football. We cannot hire a coach that thinks they have what it takes to jist recruit Hs kids...it will never ever work at ISU(this was CPR downfall IMO, hit jucos too late in his tenure)

I'm really liking Frtiz the more I read. They are a tough football team that runs ball better than anyone and plays great D.

Agreed, if JP isn't asking these guys how they're going to utilize the JUCO ranks then he should be fired and if any candidate is giving an answer like "I'm going to do it with HS kids I don't do JUCO" they should be done with the interview right there.
 

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For all the posters saying "If Pollard doesn't interview or hire so and so I'm done with my support", nobody really gives a **** what you think. Go be a Hawk fan. Seriously.
 

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My early frontrunner among coaches most commonly mentioned in these updates: Willie Fritz, although several others appear to have potential, too, for various reasons.

I’ve mentioned several times, I’m in favor of head-coaching experience with a lot of winning, someone who has gradually climbed the ranks, success at each level. There’s more involved than that, but I like a lot of aspects (overall) about this summary, for ISU’s situation.
 

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My early frontrunner among coaches most commonly mentioned in these updates: Willie Fritz, although several others appear to have potential, too, for various reasons.

I’ve mentioned several times, I’m in favor of head-coaching experience with a lot of winning, someone who has gradually climbed the ranks, success at each level. There’s more involved than that, but I like a lot of aspects (overall) about this summary, for ISU’s situation.

I agree. Of the candidates we've heard he would be my top guy. Leipold #2. Followed by Campbell and Navy's coach.

We shouldn't be looking at anyone who has never been a head coach.
 

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Art Briles
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FCS isn't DII or DIII. Art Briles proved himself at Houston before getting the job at Baylor. Gus Malzahn is an anomaly.

I'm 100% with you, anybody we are able to hire is going to be a risk. Leipold to me is too much of an unknown at this level. Stitt is a huge unknown but guys with serious coaching chops at this level point to Stitt as someone they take inspiration from for their offenses.
 

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That narrative that coach Ken would run the EXACT same option offense at ISU is just foolish. The system he runs at Navy is run for very specific reasons. Any of these "option" guys would no doubt run a option type hybrid at ISU. A smart guy and winner, like CKN, is not going to just blow up the offense and start from scratch. He'd slowly and effectively install the option principles.

I also really like Fritz. Run offense with big time JUCO experience...sign me up.

As for Frost...I think a hotshot OC from a blue blood seems very 'chizik-esq'...I doubt JP goes that route.