demoncore1031
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7 of our 18 commits are DBS assuming Lawrence White is a corner. I think Dedarallo Blue would be the only other DB we will possibly get.
New 4-2-5 Defense
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I wonder how much of a learning curve there will be. Would be nice if next year some experience can be salvaged.
I think Tucker was a 3 tech in juco, so he goes back to that role, and I think finding 4 man front DEs is easier. Most DB roles should be similar. What I don't know is how easy the change is for the LBs. I would think inside LBs from a 3-4 should be similar to the LBs in a 4-2-5, but I would assume playing behind a 4 man front changes run game flows.
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if we had 3 years in a 3-4 I would be more worried, but seems like there is a good personnel fit for the 4-2-5 with the recent recruits.
I think a lot of our secondary might not be salvageable. Not sure the philosophy they were coached in previously is useful experience.
I dont think it matters what experience there is or not. The players who do the job the best during the spring will be the ones out there in the fall. In fact, the ones who do the best job today [or when they get here] till the first spring practice will get the first look. That could be a new guy or a holdover.
Not sure I like the idea of Tucker at the 3 tech, he would constantly be doubled. Would like to see him at a weak shade NG, might be more disruptive as he would be harder to block.
I think It doesn't matter for Tucker. He is good enough he will be doubled no matter where on the line he is playing. At least with 4 down lineman it gives 3 guys one on one if Tucker get doubled.
I think this definitely will help free up Tucker to make more plays. He'll still be doubled a lot, but probably less than before with 4 DL instead of 3. Tucker needs to be a playmaker for us, not just a plugger.
I like the 4-2-5 for the Big 12 offenses we'll face, but how will it work against an Iowa type team?
I like the 4-2-5 for the Big 12 offenses we'll face, but how will it work against an Iowa type team?
I know we have a new coaching staff, and they are doing great so far. Just word of caution, we ran this 4-2-5 defense before, and we were lousy. Stats may not show it but thought we improved significantly with the 3-4-4. Plus, easier to recruit linebackers than d-line with our school recruiting challenges. Hope Campbell and staff can find these d-line guys to compete in the Big 12. With what I have seen so far, I am hopeful we'll be more successful this time around in the 4-2-5. The defense shouldn't be on the field as much with a run focus offense also.
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1 Weak side Safety
1 Strong side Safety
1 Free Safety.
So here are 5 reasons that the 4-2-5 Defense is the right defense for your team…
- The 4-2-5 Defense is flexible. Yes, in theory you have 5 Defensive Backs on the field. Two of those are hybrids though, practically linebackers. You can either play them against a power running team, or you can sub for them. Whatever you need to do, the 4-2-5 Defense easily becomes the 4-4 Defense, which easily becomes the 6-2 Defense. It’s just a personnel change!
- The 4-2-5 Defense is great for blitzing. You can create some pretty nice angles and looks by using the Outside Linebackers (or Overhang Safeties) in your blitzes. It’s rare than the Offensive Linemen are accounting for them, particularly in pass blocking schemes. And I like my chances against Running Backs!
- The 4-2-5 Defense works with lots of coverages. The Cover 3 is the natural fit, and obviously man coverages will work. But teams like TCU have proven that Cover 2 and Quarters Coverage will also go great with your 4-2-5 Defense.
- The 4-2-5 Defense gets Speed on the field. Speed kills. You cannot substitute for speed, you cannot coach speed (much), you cannot beat speed for the instantaneous affect it will have on your defense. 5 Defensive Backs, two Linebackers, and you only need one true Defensive Lineman up front. You could load up the field with speed. Nothing makes your tackling better than 11 guys who can fly, pursuing to the football with reckless abandon!
- The 4-2-5 Defense is Simple. This is a no-brainer, but it bears pointing out. Confident kids move fast. Confused kids run slow. Which one’s do you want? We can install a complete 4-2-5 Defense in about 3 days of camp. That’s start to finish, with coverages, blitzes, line stunts and all. Complete.
I got this from 425 defense .com
It can be like the 4-4 but It's all about personal you have on the field. If we are playing baylor we will have 5 DBs, but against Iowa they are slower we will probably use 4 Linebackers.
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We ran the 4-3 before 3-4 and 4-2-5 in Dime packages just a little. The only time we ran more 4-2-5 than 4-3 was back when we had Knott and Klein and it was great than, but we had 2 NFL Linebackers with those defenses.
The only real advantage the 3-4 has over the 4-2-5 is that the offensive line doesn't know where the 4th rusher is coming from. Other than that, the defense will probably look very similar.
I think everything this coaching staff does is predicated on the fact that they will bring in better players. If we want to play the game where we avoid every strategy that we have struggled with in the past, somebody better be creating some revolutionary offenses and defenses that no football team has ever used before.
I thought about a 3-3-5 defense at points this season. 3 DL, 3 LB, 2 DB, 3 S look. I think showing the offense a 3 safety look puts the opposing OC in a strange spot. Many of our opponents look to stretch the field regardless of down and distance. So, 3 safeties gives them concerns about throwing deep. The 3 LBs are responsible for interior WRs and RBs, the 2 true DBs cover the outside receivers. The blitz packages could be disguised, as there are enough guys in the secondary to cover any blitzes. Send a DB and a S rolls to that side of the field to play man or zone, still leaving 2 S over the top. Send a safety (any of 3) and the other 2 still have deep responsibility. Send a LB and a safety can cover the slot on that side. Play man or zone, because of the numbers in the secondary will allow it. Seems like there would be SO many different looks and designed blitzes\coverages to confuse QBs which is desperately needed to slow down these offenses. I also believe that with 3 safeties they could play closer to the line of scrimmage, our DBs could play more bump and run. WR bubble screens could be defended more aggressively as there are guys behind you to back you up. Less 10 yard cushions by our corners.
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