Change my mind - our bench needs to play!

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When we have McKay available, I really don't think minutes are an issue for anyone other than Morris. If you look at everyone minutes compared to last year, they are not that much different for the top 6 guys other than Morris. CSP needs to find a way to get him off the floor in the second half for a couple of minutes. I would say we let Niang initiate the offender when Monte sits.

We looked tired at the times Monday, but no one has mentioned the fact that we played a Saturday night game and then traveled to WV for the Monday night game. That is rough at this point in the season.

As for Ashton and Cooke, they need to understand their roles better. We don't need instant offense, we need them to play good D and not make mistakes on offence. Too often the come off the bench and chuck up a three.



He can't.
 

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By the way, Ashton and Cooke together are averaging 19 minutes a game over the last 6 games. They didn't play much against WV, but I suspect CSP didn't feel compfortable playing them against the pressure.

They are? That stat surprises me. Needless to say its not for Monte. And Nader/Thomas/Morris played 117 our 120 minutes last game. Monte's minutes over the last several games are just sick. Kudos to him.
 

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It is a Prohmblem. Cooke needs to play for sure.

Go watch the last minute or so of the WV game and tell us Cooke needed to play more in that game. We have ZERO bench other than McK. I don't know how you blame that on Prohm.
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing the following minute distribution:

Cooke: 10
Ashton: 5
Carter: two at the most maybe

Also please, for the love of God, never, ever, ever put out a lineup of Ashton Cooke thomas Morris and niang ever again. It sounds cute but no one on the floor can actually rebound the ball.

Not true. Thomas is the most fundamentally sound rebounder on the team. He's a great example of how you don't need to be that much taller/stronger than the other person if you get position, and value the ball before distribution.
 

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As alluded to in other posts, I would trade early season wins for losses, to have Cooke, Ashton and Carter ready to play for our stretch run. Prohm took a Thinodeau like approach toe very game. He traded early criticism for second guessing now.

Would we we be better? Who knows, but I would have understood.
 

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Out of the lot of players talked about, Hallice Cooke should be getting minutes. As far as to why he got suspended, I have credible info on that out of respect of the credible source I will not disclose. Put it to you this way, Hallice doesn't deserve to be in the doghouse for that long and NOT play.
 

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That's why he should have played in the non con

Which games should he have played more in?

He got run in games that were not in doubt late. Problem is there were so many games we played in the non conference that were 5-10 point games with less than 8 minutes left. Iowa State ends up winning by 20 or so but had to bust *** in the last 8 to get there.
 

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Cyclones are at the coulda, shoulda, woulda time of year for player development and substitution. That should occur in the early non conference games not the heat of the Big 12 battle. Without the early game experience it's harder to pull quality contributions from the bench.
 

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As alluded to in other posts, I would trade early season wins for losses, to have Cooke, Ashton and Carter ready to play for our stretch run. Prohm took a Thinodeau like approach toe very game. He traded early criticism for second guessing now.

Would we we be better? Who knows, but I would have understood.

Which wins you pulling off the board?
 

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Out of the lot of players talked about, Hallice Cooke should be getting minutes. As far as to why he got suspended, I have credible info on that out of respect of the credible source I will not disclose. Put it to you this way, Hallice doesn't deserve to be in the doghouse for that long and NOT play.

My guess is he isn't in the doghouse, at least not based on that one earlier suspension. He was played some right when he got back. It seems less lately so I was under the assumption it was practice performance and how can he fit it and help. Why did CW bring up in his podcasts that there was more trust in Ashton? Have no idea, just interesting. Hope Hallice can still contribute these last few weeks. Rooting for him! I don't know, sometimes I just think its a snowball effect. But I remember some poor body language from him way back in December games. It hasn't worked out for him the way we had hoped, and now its probably tough for a very competitive guy like him to stay positive or confident. Feel for the guy.
 

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Do people think Cooke, Ashton and Carter would be solid contributors now if they played a handful more minutes in non conference games? I mean I get it, it obviously wouldn't hurt if they got more minutes early on but I don't think it changes anything much. They obviously aren't ready to play big minutes, I doubt a few minutes scattered in here and there at the beginning of the season would change that. Plus a lot of our non conference games were close enough we had to play our starters most of it.
 

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Hip replacement took Naz out for the year. Have people forgotten that Cooke had a hip replaced as well and could be a factor? I think so.
 

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Which games should he have played more in?

He got run in games that were not in doubt late. Problem is there were so many games we played in the non conference that were 5-10 point games with less than 8 minutes left. Iowa State ends up winning by 20 or so but had to bust *** in the last 8 to get there.
Every game but the Iowa game
 

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Do people think Cooke, Ashton and Carter would be solid contributors now if they played a handful more minutes in non conference games? I mean I get it, it obviously wouldn't hurt if they got more minutes early on but I don't think it changes anything much. They obviously aren't ready to play big minutes, I doubt a few minutes scattered in here and there at the beginning of the season would change that. Plus a lot of our non conference games were close enough we had to play our starters most of it.
depth still overrated?