Fred getting more technicals with Bulls than he ever did at ISU

[NorthCyd]

Yes, knowledgeable fans, and more importantly owners and GM's, know that coaches (with a few exceptions) don't matter that much in the NBA. Unfortunately that also doesn't provide a lot of job security as it makes for an easy sacrificial lamb when the natives get restless. That's why they change coaches in the NBA like they change underwear.

 

[psychlone99]

The Bulls have had tons of injuries the last several years but Thibs has always dragged them to around 50 wins and solidly in the playoffs. They had a coach who could at least win regular season games with that roster and let him go. They sold their fanbase on the need to go in a different direction to get a better offensive coach who would have them better prepared for playoff success. Well they've been much worse offensively this year, tied for 24th in offensive efficiency, and they just don't look well coached. They've been hammered by bad teams, blown a lot of fourth quarter leads, there's been a lot of criticism on Fred's lineup choices, he hasn't been able to get the team leaders to buy in. I never thought it would go this badly for him but it's been an incredibly rough year for Fred.

Thibs had the Bulls taking pride in their defense. Now they don't care at all.

This and this. Hoiberg hasn't had great luck this season. But looking at this honestly as both a Bulls fan and a Hoiberg fan, I have no doubt that Thibs would be getting more out of this team. Perhaps much more. That guy routinely squeezed blood from a turnip, yet he was terribly underappreciated.

 

[chuckd4735]

??? Thibs had the Bulls taking pride in their defense. Now they don't care at all.

Which is why most people I know are mad at Gar for firing Thibs, not at Hoiberg.

 

[KnappShack]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/713167430265282561


just got his 2nd T of the year already lol. Twitter is all over hoiberg. Kinda feel bad for the dude. The pressure in the NBA is unbearable

He made his bed. Want to go chase your dream with a crap roster in a sports market that isn't known for patience?

Have at it, Mayor

 

[acrozier22]

I don't get why some fans are hostile towards Hoiberg. He chased his dreams. He is struggling. As Iowa State fans, I don't think we need to kick him while he is down. I still hope he has a great NBA career.

 

[Cyclonepride]

He had a lot of good will to work with and no one expected success in the first year or two. At the same time not many of the blue bloods were taking full advantage of the transfer market like they are starting to now. That first year he was handed a pretty good senior PG and low expectations.

True, but he had the chance to radically transform the program into his image right away with all the open scholarships from the mass desertions.

Of course, but how many do that so quickly and with as much success? Many coaches come into a team requiring a total transformation. Few succeed, and even fewer at that level.

 

[Clonefan94]

I don't get why some fans are hostile towards Hoiberg. He chased his dreams. He is struggling. As Iowa State fans, I don't think we need to kick him while he is down. I still hope he has a great NBA career.

I'm not hostile towards Fred, I just never understood him taking the Bulls gig. Everyone knew it was an aging, injury prone team that Thibs had over performing. There was no way this team was going to be healthy all year and most knew it would be a struggle.s

The situation in Chicago made it seem like Fred wanted out of Ames as much as he wanted an NBA job. It's a very odd fit for Hoiball.

 

[bosco]

This and this. Hoiberg hasn't had great luck this season. But looking at this honestly as both a Bulls fan and a Hoiberg fan, I have no doubt that Thibs would be getting more out of this team. Perhaps much more. That guy routinely squeezed blood from a turnip, yet he was terribly underappreciated.

No one denies that Thibs was a good coach but it's easier to squeeze blood out of a turnip when all you have are turnips.

Fred is not the kind of coach to squeeze. He gives the floor plan and let's the players grow under the floor plan. If all you have is turnips then they'll just grow into turnips. But incredible juicy turnips.

 

[laminak]

I'm not hostile towards Fred, I just never understood him taking the Bulls gig. Everyone knew it was an aging, injury prone team that Thibs had over performing. There was no way this team was going to be healthy all year and most knew it would be a struggle.s

The situation in Chicago made it seem like Fred wanted out of Ames as much as he wanted an NBA job. It's a very odd fit for Hoiball.

Fred is also buddies with Gar Forman. The allure of working with a good friend can also trump many things.

 

[HFCS]

Going out a limb that Prohm could win 10 consecutive national titles, the Bulls could have a vacancy, Prohm could express interest, and Chicago would not hire a 3rd coach from ISU.

 

[CyJack13]

Fred is also buddies with Gar Forman. The allure of working with a good friend can also trump many things.

It also gives the appearance to many Bulls fans that his friendship was one of the main reasons he got the job, rather than his qualifications. Fred did a terrific job here but if you don't follow college basketball, Fred's college coaching resume is not quite up to the standards of most coaches who make, or are rumored to make the jump, to the NBA. No conference titles, not much NCAA tournament success. I think most NBA fans are used to college coaches coming into the league with at minimum multiple Final Fours under their belt (Donovan, Stevens, Cal, Pitino), not a single sweet sixteen appearance.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

The Bulls had better defense with Thibs, but they also had Joakim Noah. He is the heart of the team. Pau Gasol cannot play defense and it is no secret. Derick Rose plays when he feels like it, and Jimmy Butler has shown he is not ready to be a leader.

The roster is middling and was before Fred came in. I would like to see Thibs record with this team this year.

The Bulls have a Derick Rose problem, in that, their franchise player does not play, is no type of leader, and is not as good as the other franchise players in the NBA.

 

[CyJack13]

The Bulls had better defense with Thibs, but they also had Joakim Noah. He is the heart of the team. Pau Gasol cannot play defense and it is no secret. Derick Rose plays when he feels like it, and Jimmy Butler has shown he is not ready to be a leader.

The roster is middling and was before Fred came in. I would like to see Thibs record with this team this year.

The Bulls have a Derick Rose problem, in that, their franchise player does not play, is no type of leader, and is not as good as the other franchise players in the NBA.

They also had much better offense under Thibs, and it certainly wasn't that great under him but they were 11th in offensive efficiency last year and they've fallen to 24th this year, that was supposed to be the trade off for going from Thibs to Hoiberg, sacrificing some defense for a much better offense. Fred lost Noah early on with the spat about whose idea it was to move Noah to a sixth man role. He's never been able to connect with the leaders on the team for some reason.

 

[jbindm]

It also gives the appearance to many Bulls fans that his friendship was one of the main reasons he got the job, rather than his qualifications. Fred did a terrific job here but if you don't follow college basketball, Fred's college coaching resume is not quite up to the standards of most coaches who make, or are rumored to make the jump, to the NBA. No conference titles, not much NCAA tournament success. I think most NBA fans are used to college coaches coming into the league with at minimum multiple Final Fours under their belt (Donovan, Stevens, Cal, Pitino), not a single sweet sixteen appearance.

That's true, but none of those guys had an extensive NBA background. Fred didn't have the coaching resume going in, but you could argue that it was offset by his experience as a player and executive.

But either way, I'm surprised at how much of a struggle this first year has been for him. It was fairly obvious that the roster he was inheriting wasn't necessarily a good fit for Hoiball, but I expected him to mix and match lineups until he found a workable rotation. Injuries haven't helped, but there's ten games left in the season and he has yet to find the right combination. Very disappointing first season for him, but he'll get at least one more season to sort it out no matter how loud the twittersphere chatter gets. I'm still pulling for him.

 

[CycloneErik]

Of course, but how many do that so quickly and with as much success? Many coaches come into a team requiring a total transformation. Few succeed, and even fewer at that level.

How many people are Fred Hoiberg?

 

[CyJack13]

Things not getting any better for Fred, not how you want to hear your own players describe your team:

"It's a bunch of stuff we're struggling with. Not only with effort, but execution and discipline and continuity."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15078256/chicago-bulls-hold-meeting-clear-air-loss-magic

 

[jsb]

Things not getting any better for Fred, not how you want to hear your own players describe your team:

"It's a bunch of stuff we're struggling with. Not only with effort, but execution and discipline and continuity."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15078256/chicago-bulls-hold-meeting-clear-air-loss-magic

They are still in the playoff hunt, but they've been completely outclassed by 2 terrible teams in the last 3 games. And that's with Rose and Butler playing.

 

[CyJack13]

They are still in the playoff hunt, but they've been completely outclassed by 2 terrible teams in the last 3 games. And that's with Rose and Butler playing.

They lost to a team that played Devyn Marble 22 mins last night, and he was +14 while on the floor.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Butler is clearly injured and probably going to have surgery in the off-season. He looks crippled out there.

 

[Skidoosh]

Shouldve have waited for the T-wolves IMO. Ride out the senior class this season, you knew Flip was on his way out (no better way to say that, apologies), then step into a team with a nice young roster with a fanbase that is much more lenient.
Zero idea why he bailed for the bulls unless he burned some bridges at the T-wolves.